RMweb Gold Corbs Posted February 18, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2020 How do you fit a wrap around saddle tank to a boiler? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Carefully. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Corbs said: How do you fit a wrap around saddle tank to a boiler? Slide it on from the smokebox end? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted February 18, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2020 ho ho ho! I wonder if, rather than trying to make sense of the doughnut, substituting the caley pug tank may work better? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 hours ago, Corbs said: Hi Sophia, very interesting concept of an inspection saloon. May I make a suggestion? I think that it might struggle to navigate curves at that length, as the driving wheels are solid mounted to the loco with no articulation, so the other end will swing out quite a lot. It may work to shorten it a bit, some of the real life ones were quite dinky. https://www.ssplprints.com/image/407468/london-and-south-western-railway-l-swr-class-f9-4-2-4t-inspection-saloon-no-733-september-1904 Is it an optical illusion or is the left side of the coach as seen in your photo taller than the right side, or is it the angle it is relative to the camera? It could be the angle. At least I hope it is! The Bug was the kind of thing I was after but with a push/pull flavour, though I could probably get away with a small turntable at the end of the WKR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted February 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Corbs said: ho ho ho! I wonder if, rather than trying to make sense of the doughnut, substituting the caley pug tank may work better? Could be a good plan, I've got one of those around here somewhere. I can see that the logical conclusion of this path is that nothing of the original model remains, which is probably a good thing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Having taken Corbs' advice, this is the state of play this evening Much shorter, though I do need to find something to bring under the saloon portion 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunningham Loco & Machine Works Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Work continues to progress on the Jintybodge. The slow speed is attributable to the fact that I am scratchbuilding the detail parts of plastic. The dome is of styrene tubing and sheet and a Tri-Ang boogie wagon wheel with the flange turned off it, while the T-joint in the outside steam passages incorporates turned Plastruct tube, a piece of scrap sprue for the actual T, and plastic discs made with a leather punch. The headlight is of ABS rectangular tubing, 5 thou styrene sheet, and more turned plastic tube. The outside steam passages themselves are of Plastruct tube also. Cab doors were added after the bunker broke off twice after I removed the original cab, and are thus of suitably thick plasticard. I think it serves as a kind of spiritual antithesis to Corbs' steampunk locomotive; in contrast to his high wheeled and smooth lined express engine, mine is a rather cluttered freight and shunter, born to serve and work in the shadow of the cyclopean "dark Satanic mills". Edited February 18, 2020 by Cunningham Loco & Machine Works Broke up "wall of text". 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMay Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 03:25, Corbs said: If you shorten the cab and bunker, and attempt to fix the impossible saddle tank, it could look something like this? I think the issue here is getting the bit between the running plate and the saddle tank looking right. There probably would be two pretty hefty springs visible for both of the wheels, along with a proper firebox, reversing mechanism, and other gubbins. Rather like the Heljan 1361 class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 19:25, Corbs said: If you shorten the cab and bunker, and attempt to fix the impossible saddle tank, it could look something like this? Nice tank engine! Perhaps GWR green or Private Owner liveries wold be best for it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 05/02/2020 at 14:03, Din said: Oh god it worked! Nice tank engine! Does it run well? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted February 19, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Say what? Why that would be in doubt when it's a standard chassis with the body changed, why would it not run well? Edited February 19, 2020 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Din Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, LNWR18901910 said: Nice tank engine! Does it run well? I later changed to an Electrotren 0-6-0 chassis, as I have several other triang bodies I'd like to use for the Junior chassis, including the "dock tank" style locomotives. You can see what I changed to on my workbench thread Edited February 19, 2020 by Din 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 19/02/2020 at 04:23, TonyMay said: I think the issue here is getting the bit between the running plate and the saddle tank looking right. There probably would be two pretty hefty springs visible for both of the wheels, along with a proper firebox, reversing mechanism, and other gubbins. Rather like the Heljan 1361 class. The main issue I have found with the Electrotren o/c 0-6-0 chassis is that it is not sympathetic to saddle tank designs (despite being used as such by the manufacturer!), because the motor protrudes well forward of the cab, to beyond the centre axle, and requires blanking off in an area where one should just see the lower boiler, generally fronted, as you say, by springs. To illustrate, here are Mark I and Mark II of my Great Yarmouth & Stalham Light Railway Fox Walker. Mark I (on the left) uses the Electrotren chassis, and you can see the compromises to the body necessary to accommodate it when compared with the Mark II on the right. BTW, an Industrial Version of the Electrotren compatible body was developed from Mark I by Turbosnail of this parish, and is available from Hardy's Hobbies; well worth a gander (I have no connection with this manufacturer). 8 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 20/02/2020 at 06:00, Edwardian said: The main issue I have found with the Electrotren o/c 0-6-0 chassis is that it is not sympathetic to saddle tank designs (despite being used as such by the manufacturer!), because the motor protrudes well forward of the cab, to beyond the centre axle, and requires blanking off in an area where one should just see the lower boiler, generally fronted, as you say, by springs. To illustrate, here are Mark I and Mark II of my Great Yarmouth & Stalham Light Railway Fox Walker. Mark I (on the left) uses the Electrotren chassis, and you can see the compromises to the body necessary to accommodate it when compared with the Mark II on the right. BTW, an Industrial Version of the Electrotren compatible body was developed from Mark I by Turbosnail of this parish, and is available from Hardy's Hobbies; well worth a gander (I have no connection with this manufacturer). I like these. Can I ask what mark II uses as a chassis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hornby Peckett B2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 not sure if this counts as a pugbash, but it is designed for a pocket rocket chassis https://www.shapeways.com/product/AJSVT9FQE/cambrian-saddle-tank?optionId=149229980&li=shop-inventory 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted February 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2020 He's not doing himself any favours calling it a pocket rocket chassis. The recent versions work much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) Probably not a straight line on it but it's all my own work. The buffer beam is from the back of the Hornby Holden tank this monstrosity will be attached to. The Nellie I bought is only going to get a respray and some tarting up now. Edited February 24, 2020 by Sophia NSE Extra picture 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 14:23, TonyMay said: Are there any prototypes with saddle tanks styled as Percy's is? I don't think so. The final straw for Reginald Dalby, who created the visual appearance of Percy, was when Rev. W. Awdry told him not to make Percy look like "a green caterpillar with red stripes." Subsequent illustrators gave him a more realistic industrial locomotive look, although the insult popped up again in a later story. I thought you could maybe justify the unprototypical tank as a failed experiment - maybe something to maximise the weight over the wheels for adhesion, or to insulate the boiler. The experiment was never repeated due to multiple issues around maintenance. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 hours ago, HonestTom said: The final straw for Reginald Dalby, who created the visual appearance of Percy, was when Rev. W. Awdry told him not to make Percy look like "a green caterpillar with red stripes." Subsequent illustrators gave him a more realistic industrial locomotive look, although the insult popped up again in a later story. Indeed. The Edwards' version I think is the quintessential representation of him IMHO. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Speaking of Percy, not mine but I discovered this beautiful little Pugbash on eBay for £80. I've not bid on it myself for a number of reasons, mostly budgetary, but I've linked it here in case anyone is interested. Edited February 25, 2020 by RedGemAlchemist 7 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangoOscarMike Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) On 24/02/2020 at 21:05, Sophia NSE said: Probably not a straight line on it but it's all my own work. The buffer beam is from the back of the Hornby Holden tank this monstrosity will be attached to. The Nellie I bought is only going to get a respray and some tarting up now. I like what you're doing here. My version of this project is way, way better than yours, but (like my charm, wit and dashing good looks) it exists only in my mind. Update on Wendesday evening: Hi Sophia NSE. When I wrote the above I thought I was being funny, but in hindsight it looks a bit disrespectful. I'm sorry if it comes across like that: I really do like this on-going bash. Edited February 26, 2020 by TangoOscarMike Doubts. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 25/02/2020 at 20:45, RedGemAlchemist said: Speaking of Percy, not mine but I discovered this beautiful little Pugbash on eBay for £80. I've not bid on it myself for a number of reasons, mostly budgetary, but I've linked it here in case anyone is interested. I doubt if it's still available, but it does strike resemblance to Percy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, LNWR18901910 said: I doubt if it's still available, but it does strike resemblance to Percy. It is actually, for another 2 days at the time of writing. If you want it I'd hurry if I were you. As stated, the photo is linked in case anyone is interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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