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On 26/06/2020 at 18:16, Quarry-Steam65 said:

Update on Singapore. Safety valves moved and dome holes filled in. Another coat of paint and a 0-4-0 chassis. Then off to get nameplates and some work plates. A bit rough and ready but I don’t think it’s bad for my first attempt....

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Very nice. May need a little more filler and sanding down but otherwize it is very nice. Moving the safety valves is a nice touch.  It certainly is good for a first attempt. Beats some of my past attempts! 

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On 25/06/2020 at 10:51, Mountain Goat said:

 

It is only the detail like the wheel splashers and some of the smaller details which would need changing. It is odd when one finds a so called "Highly inaccurate toy" turns out to be a fairly close and proportioned model of a prototype except for a few details. 

It is funny though as Triangs adjustments which needed height to clear a clockwork spring... If they did not base it on this loco above, then it really does make one think that "There is a prototype for everything" could not be too far out as being true. 

This would make a rather excellent article on how to convert one of these to look like the prototype above and it looks very do-able!

Hi Mountain Goat,

It is very apt that you have said this as this is my current restoration project. And i finally get something to put in this thread............. :)

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On ‎25‎/‎06‎/‎2020 at 10:51, Mountain Goat said:

 

It is only the detail like the wheel splashers and some of the smaller details which would need changing. It is odd when one finds a so called "Highly inaccurate toy" turns out to be a fairly close and proportioned model of a prototype except for a few details. 

It is funny though as Triangs adjustments which needed height to clear a clockwork spring... If they did not base it on this loco above, then it really does make one think that "There is a prototype for everything" could not be too far out as being true. 

This would make a rather excellent article on how to convert one of these to look like the prototype above and it looks very do-able!

I think there was a magazine article describing such a project many years ago.

 

ISTR the excess height in the Tri-ang body was huge, getting on for half an inch in total, but with the increase divided and distributed in order to keep the overall proportions roughly correct.

 

That meant the body shell had to be cut into a scary number of horizontal slices, each of them shrunk in height, and then layered back together again. Something very similar has to be done, albeit with vertical cuts, in order to turn a 'Nellie' into the C14 class upon which it was loosely based.    

 

The big risk comes from the fact that, though straight bodies can be found, most will be of similar vintage, and made from the same plastic, as the "six-inch" coaches which are so notorious for becoming banana shaped with age. The comparative angularity of the loco body (the tank in particular) is probably all that stops it going the same way.

 

So, good luck, but don't be too surprised if things start to get a bit weird as soon as you reach the end of the first cut, and very weird by the end of the second one. :jester:

 

My alternative suggestion would be to slice up the body in order to produce the bits needed to replicate the SECR conversion by adding them to a Bachmann C class.  

 

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2 hours ago, cypherman said:

Hi John,

The only thing that is really vastly out of proportion is the saddle tank. It is a good 5mm too tall. The rest is just a bit out all over to give the model something like a workable proportions.

Hi, cypherman,

 

That is indeed roughly how much too deep the tank is, but unfortunately, to disguise that, Tri-ang also jacked up the height to the underside of the tank by at least as the same again. Or, it could have been the other way round.:jester:

 

Check out the distance by which it clears the splashers and compare that to the prototype photo....

 

The word of warning is, if you tackle either, but not both, it will make the model look a whole lot less like the real thing, so it's a case of "all or nothing" with these locos. 

 

Your very nice pics suggest you've had the wisdom to leave the heavy stuff alone, and how much better it looks when detailed up somewhat, but I'd keep it off passenger duties if I were you. The effect would be the exact opposite of those cute Hayling Island shots showing Mk1 stock towering over Terriers.

 

John  

 

 

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3 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Hi, cypherman,

 

That is indeed roughly how much too deep the tank is, but unfortunately, to disguise that, Tri-ang also jacked up the height to the underside of the tank by at least as the same again. Or, it could have been the other way round.:jester:

 

Check out the distance by which it clears the splashers and compare that to the prototype photo....

 

The word of warning is, if you tackle either, but not both, it will make the model look a whole lot less like the real thing, so it's a case of "all or nothing" with these locos. 

 

Your very nice pics suggest you've had the wisdom to leave the heavy stuff alone, and how much better it looks when detailed up somewhat, but I'd keep it off passenger duties if I were you. The effect would be the exact opposite of those cute Hayling Island shots showing Mk1 stock towering over Terriers.

 

John  

 

 

Hi John,

This engine was a one of a kind converted from a SECR C class tender engine. It was only ever used for shunting work at Richborough Military Port during WW1 and at the end of the war it was sent to Bricklayer's Arms as a shunter, where it survived until 1951. Checking the pictures I have, and there are not that many of them the height from the footplate to the underside of the tank is just about right. The Westinghouse pump that I fitted that is to scale fits just right in the space. Here are a couple of pictures for you to see. It really was quite high off the footplate.

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7 hours ago, cypherman said:

Hi John,

This engine was a one of a kind converted from a SECR C class tender engine. It was only ever used for shunting work at Richborough Military Port during WW1 and at the end of the war it was sent to Bricklayer's Arms as a shunter, where it survived until 1951. Checking the pictures I have, and there are not that many of them the height from the footplate to the underside of the tank is just about right. The Westinghouse pump that I fitted that is to scale fits just right in the space. Here are a couple of pictures for you to see. It really was quite high off the footplate.

Just a note that the apparatus under the off-side tank is not a Westinghouse pump, but a steam reverser.  The SECR was a vacuum brake line, but adopted the steam reverser from quite an early date.

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I decided to re-write what I put as it has already been answered.

 

But what colour was this loco in its pre-grouping livery?

 

(And no. I am not taking on such a Triang conversion as I have enough work to do in 7mm narrow gauge).

 

One thing I love about the railways in the older days (And it still happens today) is the way they rebuild things rather then scrap them. To think that this little shunting loco may well have been at the head of express trains in its earlier life... And I was thinking... Maybe some of our models.. Where we have a shunter which can travel at express train speeds... Well. There may be a prototype after all!

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19 hours ago, TonyMay said:

Would it not be a better starting position to start with a Bachmann C class and convert that either with (1) a new cab/bunker and saddletank or (2) a completely new body?

 

I would not have thought so. Not when the Triang body comes so close to the origional. It goes to show how much work was done on the prototype, and probably why they only did the one!

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The Triang 748 body is, most unusually for Triang, made in two parts, clipped together. It is quite easy to remove the cab/saddle tank section from the footplate and slice several mm off the bottom edge & reassemble. It will also be necessary to remove the same amount from the boxes in front of the cab.

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14 minutes ago, Gilwell Park said:

The Triang 748 body is, most unusually for Triang, made in two parts, clipped together. It is quite easy to remove the cab/saddle tank section from the footplate and slice several mm off the bottom edge & reassemble. It will also be necessary to remove the same amount from the boxes in front of the cab.

I wasn't aware of that, but it's not surprising given that it was originally made to fit over a clockwork drive..

 

If anybody has both, could they post a photo of one alongside a Jinty, so everybody can see exactly how tall this loco actually is.

 

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The Dowlairs loco discussion has inspired me to restart a bash I started on the Hornby 0-4-0 a while back - I've essentially taken the standard body and added a coal bunker using a combination of a GWR 101 bunker and some plastic sheet, along with coal bars over the rear windows, new front steps off a Nellie (because for some reason when I started this ages back I removed the originals) and some Markits toolboxes. Aside from a whistle I've not got any plans to add more bits (apart from a cab floor, though that's not an immediate issue), but if anyone has any suggestions for something glaring I've missed please let me know - I'm rubbish at thinking up these things! 

 

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In terms of the whole chassis debate, I had various ideas but crucially didn't want to spend much/if any money. I really wanted an 0-6-0 but didn't want to buy a terrier or Electrotren chassis, before I remembered I had an old Hornby Toby in the loft. The wheelbase is really short and I reckon it looks OK, aside from needing some cosmetic frame extension and a little bit of chopping to remove some support sprues which would force the chassis too far back.

 

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The major issue is that the motor is too tall so has had to be removed. I've never re-motored a loco before, so could anyone recommend a fairly small motor which would ideally fit the worm gear off the current one to save any really major re-working? 

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16 minutes ago, Corbs said:

Awesome. Do you have a pic of the motor you removed?

 

Thanks! I think the motor is the standard one in the basic Hornby locos - below are pictures of it alone and sitting on the chassis. I reckon any new motor needs to be about a third smaller to comfortable fit in the body due to the gear wheel placement.

 

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5 hours ago, Gilwell Park said:

The Triang 748 body is, most unusually for Triang, made in two parts, clipped together. It is quite easy to remove the cab/saddle tank section from the footplate and slice several mm off the bottom edge & reassemble. It will also be necessary to remove the same amount from the boxes in front of the cab.

Hi all,

I can quite catagorically state that the 748 body in not made in 2 parts. I am sat here with my spare 748 body plus the one I have just modernised and they are moulded in one piece. Unless they made 2 different bodies. Neither of mine split. 

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