Sophia NSE Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Slap a bit of paint on and take the buffers off a 14xx and we get this It seems too hefty to be an 0-4-0 so I have an 0-6-0 on its way. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 14:52, cypherman said: Hi all, When this engine was a tender engine it ran in green. This is a model of the original C class in the colour it was supposed to have run in. Once it was converted to the S class it ran in black. I'm not quite sure where you get that from. The SECR locomotive livery from 1899 was the very ornate style associated with Harry Wainwright; I believe it was Maunsell who introduced a simplified painting scheme, with the same basic green colour, approximated by the model you show. During the Great War - I'm not sure from what date exactly - the SECR adopted a plain grey livery with large white numerals; this, I believe, remained the standard livery up to the Grouping. The solitary S was converted from a C in 1917, so would have appeared in this grey livery. In the fullness of time it would presumably have been repainted into the standard Southern Railway goods locomotive livery of lined black. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Remember I said I had an 0-6-0 on the way? Well it arrived! Guess who gave up his wheels so the paper mills at Tovil could have a shunter Sitting next to the Q1 for a height check Next to do is add some front splashers and find a way to attach the chassis to the body. I had to remove a tiny bit of metal from around the front screw hole to make it fit, but other than that there were no chassis modifications. I might even give the body some lining and a name as it's a pet loco 14 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenNewland Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 01/07/2020 at 21:59, AlfaZagato said: Look up one of the n20 motors. Tiny and powerful. Cheap, too. I picked mine up for $7. The N20 motors are cheap and the 2000 rpm gives a nice slow running ability. However, the original request was for one where you don't have the change the worm size. I think (please correct me) that the N20 has a larger diameter rod (3mm I think), than the original one from Toby (about 1.5mm maybe?). Hope that helps, but I don't know of a smaller motor with the same size worm. Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frappington Jct Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 3 hours ago, BenNewland said: The N20 motors are cheap and the 2000 rpm gives a nice slow running ability. However, the original request was for one where you don't have the change the worm size. I think (please correct me) that the N20 has a larger diameter rod (3mm I think), than the original one from Toby (about 1.5mm maybe?). Hope that helps, but I don't know of a smaller motor with the same size worm. Ben I've done a bit of research and found a couple of motor options - both N20s, one without a gearbox attached and a 1.5mm shaft and one with a gear box and a 3mm shaft. I've ordered both as well as a few gear bits to have an experiment - I have multiple locos that could ideally do with new motors anyway. That being said, I found a motor out of a Bachmann Greg in a box the other day which might do the job just as well and comes with a worm to fit. I'll have a play and see what happens. Thanks all for the advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 04/07/2020 at 10:54, Sophia NSE said: Sitting next to the Q1 for a height check Beginning to think I should have said P1 with that wheelbase... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted July 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 04/07/2020 at 10:54, Sophia NSE said: Remember I said I had an 0-6-0 on the way? Well it arrived! Guess who gave up his wheels so the paper mills at Tovil could have a shunter This is really good. I reckon if you took 5mm out of the cab roof, bringing the rear forward, you could create a false bunker and proportions look just right. Hold a piece of paper over the rear of the cab in the picture to see what I mean. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moose Posted July 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Thought this would be appropriate been working on this little . Not finished yet need frame extensions, smokebox door and touch up painting. If anyone knows what paint Hornby used for this please let me know I need it. Any suggestions/improvements would be appreciated :) Edited July 8, 2020 by Moose 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Since someone mentioned the Triang clockwork “top tank”, here’s a nice little video of this once-common beastie. I notice a mention in the comments underneath, to fitting these bodies to an R355 chassis, which is of course, the 0-4-0 found on the Nellie/Polly/Connie series and others. There IS a certain family resemblance, mostly around the smokebox; I assume the clockwork mechanism couldn’t be accommodated in the available space, which is why there was no clockwork Nellie? Rather begs the question why they didn’t produce an 0-4-0ST at the time, given that the R153 0-6-0ST wouldn’t last much longer. So, here’s a challenge; does anyone have one of these as a pugbash, however motorised? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 19 hours ago, Moose said: Thought this would be appropriate been working on this little . Not finished yet need frame extensions, smokebox door and touch up painting. If anyone knows what paint Hornby used for this please let me know I need it. Any suggestions/improvements would be appreciated :) Those outside cylinders really make a difference! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, rockershovel said: Those outside cylinders really make a difference! Yes they do especially making it a 0-6-0. Looks more usable as a heavy shunter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 21 hours ago, rockershovel said: Since someone mentioned the Triang clockwork “top tank”, here’s a nice little video of this once-common beastie. I notice a mention in the comments underneath, to fitting these bodies to an R355 chassis, which is of course, the 0-4-0 found on the Nellie/Polly/Connie series and others. There IS a certain family resemblance, mostly around the smokebox; I assume the clockwork mechanism couldn’t be accommodated in the available space, which is why there was no clockwork Nellie? Rather begs the question why they didn’t produce an 0-4-0ST at the time, given that the R153 0-6-0ST wouldn’t last much longer. So, here’s a challenge; does anyone have one of these as a pugbash, however motorised? This is a mad theory, but I think there IS a prototype for this loco (sort of)! Bear with me... http://www.museum.alibaba.sk/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/halpin/halpin.htm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 And by the way the same equipment is here https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-locomotive-no-708-express-138029841.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=598ABF16-8ACB-4349-BAA2-7996C092656C&p=408846&n=84&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dgnr%20steam%20railway%26qt_raw%3Dgnr%20steam%20railway%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D1%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26edoptin%3D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Googling about, it seems to be one of those ideas that enjoyed a vogue for a while, was found to be of little real use, and was dropped again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 13 hours ago, rockershovel said: Googling about, it seems to be one of those ideas that enjoyed a vogue for a while, was found to be of little real use, and was dropped again Really, it's the answer to the question, 'we've got some old under-boilered locomotives and we want to improve their steaming capacity without reboilering them' without realising that the costs were nearly the same and the proposed innovation added additional issues eg centre of gravity, weight distribution etc that would be better resolved by ... reboilering them (and also superheating). I also understand that on the LYR routes they were tried on, they only really worked in one direction due to the prevailing gradients. But it would possibly allow for the fitting of radio control gear to your OO Bachmann 2-4-2T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, BackRoomBoffin said: Really, it's the answer to the question, 'we've got some old under-boilered locomotives and we want to improve their steaming capacity without reboilering them' without realising that the costs were nearly the same and the proposed innovation added additional issues eg centre of gravity, weight distribution etc that would be better resolved by ... reboilering them (and also superheating). I also understand that on the LYR routes they were tried on, they only really worked in one direction due to the prevailing gradients. But it would possibly allow for the fitting of radio control gear to your OO Bachmann 2-4-2T. ..or clockwork! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, rockershovel said: ..or clockwork! If anyone does want to buy a product costing £60 - £100 (dependent on retailer etc) to remove the expensive bits and retrofit a technically obsolete technology... a) that is the best application of Rule One I've seen in some time b) feel free c) please throw some money my ways whilst you're at it Given we now have high-tech modern battery powered equipment, is anyone insane out there running hyper-modern digitally controlled clockwork by any chance? Anything is possible... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hi all, Well at least with clockwork you can still run it in a power cut.......... 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BackRoomBoffin said: If anyone does want to buy a product costing £60 - £100 (dependent on retailer etc) to remove the expensive bits and retrofit a technically obsolete technology... a) that is the best application of Rule One I've seen in some time b) feel free c) please throw some money my ways whilst you're at it Given we now have high-tech modern battery powered equipment, is anyone insane out there running hyper-modern digitally controlled clockwork by any chance? Anything is possible... I did a laugh react because the first half of the post does indeed seem very silly - although people convert modern loco body shells to 3-rail so is this so different? However, for the second half would it be possible to apply the technology used for radio controlled live steam to clockwork mechanisms? I just wonder whether it would require a battery to be carried, making it seem somewhat pointless. The 00 gauge clockwork locos I have are all ‘digitally controlled,’ i.e. you apply the brake by pushing the switch forward with your finger... Edited July 10, 2020 by 009 micro modeller 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 09/07/2020 at 17:07, BackRoomBoffin said: This is a mad theory, but I think there IS a prototype for this loco (sort of)! Bear with me... http://www.museum.alibaba.sk/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/halpin/halpin.htm On 09/07/2020 at 17:27, BackRoomBoffin said: And by the way the same equipment is here https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-locomotive-no-708-express-138029841.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=598ABF16-8ACB-4349-BAA2-7996C092656C&p=408846&n=84&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3Dgnr%20steam%20railway%26qt_raw%3Dgnr%20steam%20railway%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D1%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26saveQry%3D%26editorial%3D1%26t%3D0%26edoptin%3D Not exactly very aesthetic, is it? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 12 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said: I did a laugh react because the first half of the post does indeed seem very silly - although people convert modern loco body shells to 3-rail so is this so different? However, for the second half would it be possible to apply the technology used for radio controlled live steam to clockwork mechanisms? I just wonder whether it would require a battery to be carried, making it seem somewhat pointless. The 00 gauge clockwork locos I have are all ‘digitally controlled,’ i.e. you apply the brake by pushing the switch forward with your finger... Ref A A Milne, “The Engineer” 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, rockershovel said: Ref A A Milne, “The Engineer” This? https://voetica.com/voetica.php?collection=3&poet=685&poem=3354 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackRoomBoffin Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 10/07/2020 at 18:03, RedGemAlchemist said: Not exactly very aesthetic, is it? I dunno, at least they've tried with the 2-4-2T. Consider it up against the near-contemporary Webb 2-2-4-0Ts, or some of the Dean experimental tanks, and it's not completely out of the ordinary. And then, when we look at boiler experimentation, there's the ACFI feedwater heaters, and the Crosti boiler... I'm sorry I think I left pugbashing beind some time ago.... desperately bringing it back, I'd argue that one could easily adapt a Pug to make it a condensing tramway / ilocomotive on the lines of the LSWR Shanks 0-4-0STs, and that that could be adjudged as ugly as this Aspinal/Hoy/Druitt-Halpin beastie, dependent on the beholder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Oh, I think they have a certain je-ne-sais-quoi.. https://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/51/Shanks.htm 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BackRoomBoffin said: I'd argue that one could easily adapt a Pug to make it a condensing tramway / ilocomotive on the lines of the LSWR Shanks 0-4-0STs, and that that could be adjudged as ugly as this Aspinal/Hoy/Druitt-Halpin beastie, dependent on the beholder. Agreed. Looks simple enough to do theoretically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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