alastairq Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'm not sure I find the 266 class a visually 'balanced' engine? Looks a bit too short for my eyes.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, alastairq said: I'm not sure I find the 266 class a visually 'balanced' engine? Looks a bit too short for my eyes.... Hi Alastair, You are right. It does look like a cut and shut engine. Looks like it should have been an 0-6-2 but modified into an 0-4-4 By shortening the bunker and replacing the back driving wheel and pony with the one fitted that looks like it came off a carriage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I would try the 14xx chassis with the rear wheel removed and the front bogie from a City of Truro kit... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I imagine such a model would incite lots of ''it's wrong for a 14xx'' comments too......so i would keep a photo to hand as well...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hi all, Not sure if the 14xx drivers are big enough for this engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 hours ago, alastairq said: I imagine such a model would incite lots of ''it's wrong for a 14xx'' comments too......so i would keep a photo to hand as well...... Which for me would incite a reaction of "who cares?" 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 17/10/2020 at 14:57, robert17649 said: couple more GER no 227 from one of those odd 0-4-0's by Hornby and a manning wardle from a pug I'd be interested in a little more detail about GER 227 (a Hill Y5 I think?) Is this based on the Pug? I could use one of these on the Boxfile, though whether the mechanism would be up to the job is another matter... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 227 is a rebuild of the Hornby Queen Mary 0-4-0. bunker removed and new cab rear. boiler shortened to match the GERS drawing, which involves a bit of shortening of the footplate, which I did not do that well. The chassis was originally a pug but I scratch built it eventually using the pug as a template. Power is a Mashima open frame motor with a 50:1 gearbox and flywheel, wheels are 15mm Romfords with balance weights from milliput. The valve gear is modified N gauge stuff I had in the spares box and it took me an age to get it to run proper. The tank sides need overlays so that the left side bunker can be included. I guess that you could use a pug chassis but would need Walschaerts valve gear from somewhere. The cylinders are from an old set of princess stuff again in spares box and the slide bars are from a pug. chimney is an old Nu Cast chimney in the spares box, dome a Hornby southern dome clacks are from Hornby Schools and all other bits out of the spares box. This loco has been in my to do box for ages and the lockdown got me to finally get on with it. The photo exposed a few problems the cylinder angle were wrong ride height off and lettering rubbish, since mostly corrected. The LNER classified them (all four I think ) as Y4. and by that time 227 had a shorter chimney and cab with cutouts like the others. As regards the Pug mechanism I have found that weight +++ helps a lot as does a feedback controller and a lot of running in. Filing the axle slots and reaming out the gear wheel to 3mm does enable rewheeling with romgord axles but you gots to be careful. Hope that helps. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 As a matter of interest I have a number of bashed pugs made into various things all run at a crawl with megatons of weight liquid gravity old tyre weights and lead sheet. about 75g is ok with a gaugemaster feed back controller to gain a creep. if you can get more weight in it helps, and using a small pivot on the front axle to sort of compensate really does help running. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Londontram said: Well I've had a good look through the "Locomotives of the Glasgow & South Western Railway" by David L Smith. A fairly old but reasonable book but the information is scant and scattered through the book and there is no drawings. The locos were built in two batches the first Batch by Drummond who also designed the 0-6-4 tanks for the Highland then later a second batch by Whitelegg to basically the same design with just detail changes but there's no mention of fitting Caley boilers or of changes to the safety valve arangment. Sorry that's about all I've got IIR, the GSWR fleet could not be fitted with Caley boilers -as were several of the Highland ones, which gave them decades more life, and the LMS standardisation plan for the Northern Division was firmly concentrated on CR locos. The HR banking tank was an exception, hence its early withdrawal, and I would imagine that Drummond's GSWR clone had the same problem. As for boiler fittings, these seemed to be selected at random during overhauls, going by pictures of often the same engine over the years. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 hours ago, RedGemAlchemist said: Which for me would incite a reaction of "who cares?" At a guess modellers of the Glasgow & South Western... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, sem34090 said: At a guess modellers of the Glasgow & South Western... Then they can get on and build there own and let him enjoy his modeling the way he wants to Do it. She'll we pick up all our toys where we've thrown them out our prams and leave it at that now before it spoils this most enjoyable thread 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I wasn't trying to stir anything, just being a bit silly; I agree with you entirely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TurboSnail Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Quick, someone post a Pugbash to get the thread back on track! (Train puns are always intended) Here's one slowly working it's way through the paint shop. 18 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, TurboSnail said: Quick, someone post a Pugbash to get the thread back on track! (Train puns are always intended) Here's one slowly working it's way through the paint shop. Wow I like that can you tell us more about it please 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It's mostly just a normal Dapol/Hornby Pug (I think this was a Hornby one) picked up cheap secondhand with a few livery issues. I've replaced the big motor with a much smaller one that hides in the backhead, hence why it's so large for a small loco (the backhead is removable if motor maintenance is required in future). The cab walls and floor are a 3D printed design I made up with influence from several small contractor loco designs from the late 1800s. You'll note the cylinder covers are missing - I'm experimenting at the moment with making crossheads and the piston rod so that it has a representation of the motion. The slidebars and bits will be a bit chunky really, but I don't want to go into replacing the whole lot, so we'll see how that turns out. Other than that, it's fairly simple tweaks; replacement buffers (the original dumb buffers just twist off easily), replacement chimney (a razor saw + files job) and a repaint. I still need to add the reverser (which is on the wrong side! -doh-), brake standard, whistle, and paint all the detail bits in brass, copper and so on. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted October 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, TurboSnail said: I've replaced the big motor with a much smaller one that hides in the backhead, hence why it's so large for a small loco (the backhead is removable if motor maintenance is required in future Hi Tom, That's a fantastic piece of work. Would you mind telling us a little more about the motor replacement? I ask as I imagine I am not the only one who thinks that you have found a solution to improving the pug in its original form. Thanks and regards, Alex. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TurboSnail Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alex TM said: That's a fantastic piece of work. Would you mind telling us a little more about the motor replacement? Thanks, glad people are finding it interesting! As I'm sure seasoned bashers know, the Pug has a slightly odd construction, in that the motor is attached to the body, not the chassis - so if you want to use the chassis under something else, it's a pain as you have to cut the motor wires, unthread them from the body and resolder them on. I wanted to make the motor part of the chassis, so I could use this chassis with a couple more interchangable bodies in the future (I make far more locos than I need, so using one chassis with several bodies saves me a lot of money). I'll bring in another loco to explain (I think I posted it a few days ago on here), an Avonside that also uses the Pug chassis (the blue one). This originated as an attempt to improve the performance by adding a flywheel, requiring a smaller motor so it all fitted (just). I did that by making a motor replacement bracket (3D printed) that screws into the original motor mounting hole on the chassis - the wires come up through holes in the bracket and solder onto the motor in much the same way as the original did. I had to make a new worm to go on the motor as it has a smaller diameter shaft than the original Hornby/Dapol one, but it's just a copy of the original, I haven't tried to modify the gear ratios or anything like that. A 12x10mm flywheel just about sits on top without touching the cab roof. Unfortunately I don't have a bracket and gear to hand to show at the moment (I sent my spare one to @Corbs to have a play with, but could always print more). It was pretty simple to do though, just snip two wires, screw the bracket on, use a dot of superglue just to stop the motor sliding out and solder the 2 wires back on. As a by-product of this, I started wondering how small the motor could go, and whether I could make a believable open-cab Pug, hence the grey loco. The Pugbash uses the same motor (though a single-ended one this time) and worm, but this time the geometry of the motor mount is built into the cab print, with the backhead as a cover. This means the chassis is permanently attached, just like the original pug. A bit less modeller-friendly, but a bit smaller. EDIT: I've just realised you asked for a little more, not an essay... sorry! Edited October 21, 2020 by TurboSnail 9 1 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenNewland Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 13/10/2020 at 02:54, 33C said: Just a couple of my early attempts to try out my weathering techniques and a "what can you do with these two!". Lastly, a "Nellie" conversion done a few years back. Hope you like.... That Ogee tank looks great. What chassis is it on? (actually, all those bashes look really nice, but I was particularly taken by the Ogee tank). Well done, Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
33C Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, BenNewland said: That Ogee tank looks great. What chassis is it on? (actually, all those bashes look really nice, but I was particularly taken by the Ogee tank). Well done, Ben Thanx, It's a bog standard "Nellie" chassis with shaped Hall cylinders and shortened valve gear. (cut and drilled), Desmond smokebox/boiler with balsa block glued on top and shaped to an ogee. The rest is plasticard. It's a G.E.R. 209 , L.N.E.R. Y5 class, like the one that was plinthed at Woolwich. Edited October 21, 2020 by 33C added detail 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenNewland Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Thanks 33C. Appreciate the info. Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 15/09/2020 at 13:31, RedGemAlchemist said: The KLR now has a J17. I mean the tender drive doesn't work but every step is one in the right direction. Forgot to link my J17 bashed from a Triang 4F and some random odds and ends. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Working on the improved crosshead and motion for the pug chassis - after lots of fiddly wire and superglue work, it seems to be working! Not perfect, but definitely an improvement on the chunky cylinder covers for the locos I'm looking to represent. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted October 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 20/10/2020 at 22:47, Ben Alder said: IIR, the GSWR fleet could not be fitted with Caley boilers -as were several of the Highland ones, which gave them decades more life, and the LMS standardisation plan for the Northern Division was firmly concentrated on CR locos. The HR banking tank was an exception, hence its early withdrawal, and I would imagine that Drummond's GSWR clone had the same problem. As for boiler fittings, these seemed to be selected at random during overhauls, going by pictures of often the same engine over the years. The LMS did build replacement boilers for the GSWR 0-6-2T and some of the Highland tanks were fitted with these. I have read that the reason for their early withdrawal was cracked frames. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Hi all, My latest bash is finished. Think it could come under the Jinty Steins as it is not an 0-4-0. H/D N2 into a Drummond Class 45 0-6-2. The Diecast metal body was Really tough to work with. For full details on this engine see my Class 45 Drummond thread if your interested. Edited October 29, 2020 by cypherman 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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