RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted September 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2020 Semley had a pipe running overhead across Station Road (an unadopted road back then) from the dairy to the tanker loading siding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 This photo of Pont Llanio shows a hint of pipework beneath the black cylindrical tank that was used to store the chilled milk before it was pumped into the tankers. Unfortunately it is rather damage so doesn't show much in the way of detail. https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/32074 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigtech Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) I tend to agree with John - the only photo i have seen of this, is one at St Erth, where the creamery worker is seen standing on the access catwalk of a tanker and is holding a thin vertical flexible white pipe connecting to what appears to be a run of stainless steel pipework routed into the building.There seems to be some sort of cover over the open tank filler, with the white pipe inserted through a small aperture in it. Regards SIGTECH Steve. Edited September 21, 2020 by sigtech more info 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Lovely shot of St Erth. I am quite prepared to be mistaken but the fact that pipe is going in through the manhole suggests to me that this tanks is being washed out rather than filled. I don't think that the manholes were used for filling. However it does show the kind of pipework the previous poster was interested in. So white and lightweight seems to be in order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Semley had a pipe running overhead across Station Road (an unadopted road back then) from the dairy to the tanker loading siding. Well remembered. Uttoxeter had a similar arrangement with a lightweight trellis supporting the pipework across both the road and a brook to reach the railway siding. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigtech Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 You could be correct Karhedron. There is evidence of water all around the wheels of this tanker (which is also chocked at its wheels) and it is standing on a concrete apron, so obviously has had a washout. Regards, sigtech Steve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted September 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Karhedron said: Lovely shot of St Erth. I am quite prepared to be mistaken but the fact that pipe is going in through the manhole suggests to me that this tanks is being washed out rather than filled. I don't think that the manholes were used for filling. This would make sense; the inlet pipe probably turned through 90deg (or fed a deflector like a sprinkler system) just inside to direct the flow onto the inner surface of the tank, so most of it would cling by surface tension and run down to the bottom. Directing a jet straight into the tank would froth the milk uncontrollably and way before hitting full capacity would be overflowing everywhere. You would also risk curdling the milk, meaning the whole tank would be rejected. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Thanks for posting those pics Karhedron. I found the last picture earlier today and it seems to about the best one so far. It is still hard to get a feel for the overall layout. A schematic drawing would be ideal I think. I am not frantic about this and at some point I will put my leetle grey cells to work to come up with something plausible. Such a lot to do in the meantime. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 21/09/2020 at 18:32, brossard said: Some marvellous pictures in this thread. However, I have never seen any sort of discussion about the piping layout for dairies/creameries to get the milk into the tanks. There are tantalizing hints here and there but not enough info for me to work out how it looked. This may answer your question, this is a photo of the MMB creamery at Green Grove near Felin Fach on Aberaeron branch in 1963. There are 4 sets of slim pipes poking out over the line from the loading point. Now I can't say for sure they were for milk rather water for rinsing out. They are also over the concrete apron so possibly that is the cleaning point. However it is the clearest photo I have seen showing the pipework on a creamery similar to one you have constructed. This photo shows the view west. The photo below shows the view east where there was another door. However there is no pipework visible here and no concrete apron. I think this second entrance at the eastern end was for goods coming in by rail. Notably it is right next the boiler house which would make sense if coal was brought in by rail to provide power. So I think goods came in the eastern end, milk was pumped out at the western end and raw milk in churns came to the front of the creamery on the other side from the line. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 More great pictures, thanks Karhedron. Much to consider. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigtech Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 It looks like there is also some kind of capstan arrangement for hauling individual tanks along. I see four bollards equally spaced between the running line and the siding, with a larger, possibly motorised drive between the second and third. Regards Sigtech Steve. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted September 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Karhedron said: This may answer your question, this is a photo of the MMB creamery at Green Grove near Felin Fach on Aberaeron branch in 1963. There are 4 sets of slim pipes poking out over the line from the loading point. Now I can't say for sure they were for milk rather water for rinsing out. They are also over the concrete apron so possibly that is the cleaning point. However it is the clearest photo I have seen showing the pipework on a creamery similar to one you have constructed. This photo shows the view west. I remember the (lorry) tank rinsing apron at Whitland being on concrete, but then the whole area was. It is just as likely that the tank filling area at Golden Grove had such a pad; even back then the MMB probably tried to avoid spilled milk entering watercourses so that pad will drain to the water treatment plant. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F2Andy Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Could they have used the same pipes for both filling and rinsing? It would be cheaper, require less space for wagons and no need to move wagons between operations. I cannot off hand think of a reason not to at a small creamery (at larger ones you might want to be rinsing one set of wagon whilst filling another). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, F2Andy said: Could they have used the same pipes for both filling and rinsing? It would be cheaper, require less space for wagons and no need to move wagons between operations. I cannot off hand think of a reason not to at a small creamery (at larger ones you might want to be rinsing one set of wagon whilst filling another). And presumably the pipes themselves would get an automatic rinse from their dual use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Oldddudders said: And presumably the pipes themselves would get an automatic rinse from their dual use. It sounds plausible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce palmer Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Fascinating stuff ....I ought to know the answers to it ,as I worked in the MMB Movements dept 1972 to 1994 and was the person who sold the last Milk Tankers for scrap . Im researching a dairy layout for my coarse scale 0 gauge layout . The trouble is that it was a long time ago and memories are fuzzy ! Bruce 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Don't worry Bruce. It is one thing to work in movements, it is quite another to remember the minutia of how tanks were filled at individual facilities. Having said that, if you do recall any interesting details, there are plenty of us who would love to hear them. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just came across this nice shot. Definitely showing top-filling in progress rather than just washing out. Once more, there are slim pipes over the tanks that look like they might be retractable. I am not completely sure but I think it is the United Dairies creamery at Ecton on the Leek and Manifold line. http://www.bpodmore.co.uk/images/milk_tank1.jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Karhedron said: Just came across this nice shot. Definitely showing top-filling in progress rather than just washing out. Once more, there are slim pipes over the tanks that look like they might be retractable. I am not completely sure but I think it is the United Dairies creamery at Ecton on the Leek and Manifold line. http://www.bpodmore.co.uk/images/milk_tank1.jpg Definitely Ecton, if you look carefully you can see that the tankers are on transporter wagons. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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