KNP Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, teaky said: You're not wrong. The photo above looks much better (and filthier). In fact, it largely invalidates my earlier comments. Totally agree, just in process of editing a new batch taken with the TZ100 and not the iPhone and boy what a difference. Even the roof looks better......to me!!!! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Not a pigeon van, but in use, plenty of varied red / orange in the panelling and the roof canvas is far from pristine. I think that he's pretty damned close! 8 3 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Right then..... Got the main camera out and the difference is quite noticeable. I do find the iPhone can be a little stark, colours almost to sharp and differences in shade highlighted. This is what the Panasonic TZ100 says - I will not be changing this, amazed at how much flick has even deposited itself on this model.....don't really see it with the naked eye but the camera does. Needs to be varnished and transfers added....! Just one problem I don't have any as this is my only LNER model so haven't needed any in the past, does anyone out there have any that I can barter for?? Edited Wednesday at 11:36 by KNP 27 1 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted February 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Not a pigeon van, but in use, plenty of varied red / orange in the panelling and the roof canvas is far from pristine. I think that he's pretty damned close! No arguing with that! When I next look at my coaches I'll be glad there are no teak ones. This roof looks as if it is similar in original shade to 1940s Pullmans that I have worked on. Thanks for showing the photograph - is it one of yours? Plenty of track and underframe colour detail to study! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I am using the image on the grounds of use as a non profit explanatory / teaching aid. It's nicked from Google, who nicked it from Hattons, who may have nicked it from the NYMR. There's a lot out there. I actually Googled "GCR teak coaches" and got images of everything from wrecks sheeted up at Loughborough forty years ago to mint quad art sets and everything in between. I harvest a lot of images to obtain colour, shade and details for my paintings, though you wouldn't see a copy of anything. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2021 Those last photos look totally different again. Much less red in the teak and thus a younger or more recently cleaned van. Transfers: I may be able to help with some Fox Transfers for the "LNER" and numbers but don't have anything in stock for any of the tiny bits on the solebars nor the "GUARD" for the door. PM me if you want to discuss. 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted February 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 hours ago, KNP said: This is the van in natural light earlier. You've done a magnificent job there Kevin. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, checkrail said: You've done a magnificent job there Kevin. And doesn't it look at home too. I knew it would go down a storm. 1 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, gwrrob said: And doesn't it look at home too. I knew it would go down a storm. Couldn't agree more. That's coming from another GWR fan (Hail Satan etc... ) 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted February 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, KNP said: Now I want everyone to be honest with me. I have my own reservations about this. Here is my first attempt at painting the LNER pigeon van. What do you think? 7 hours ago, KNP said: Don't know the exact term but I do believe now that the LED layout lights are bringing out the orange effect of the base colour. This is the van in natural light earlier. Colour balance, contrast, saturation? Probably white balance and colour temperature though, e.g.: https://photographylife.com/definition/white-balance I agree with the earlier comments, the first camera's set-up makes the teak look very orange. The second looks much more natural. 6 hours ago, Mick Bonwick said: I wonder about your portrayal of the roof, Kevin. I have never seen one of these in real life and I have no photographic record of any that I can find easily, which means that I have nothing to base my comments on apart from what I have found so far. I have looked at many colour photographs of van and coach/carriage roofs in order to establish how I should treat my own. I don't recall seeing any that have identifiable marks on them such as portrayed here, but that does not mean that it never happened, obviously. Roofing colour and marks vary depending on both the light and weather, as well as over time and depending on cleaning. I've worked on the tops of carriages (though mainly Mark Ones, not LNER stock) and the overall impression of texture and streaking looks good to me. Even the transverse streaks in the middle of the roof camber can be realistic if there's a slight hollow in the roof meaning rainwater acts as a cleanser/protector from the weathering the rest of the roof is exposed to. I suspect it's something which the viewing distance affects, what you see when you're crawling about on top of them or a few feet away is invisible at 50 yards. An edited frame of the NYMR teaks at Moorgates, showing the variation of sides and roofs. Edited February 10, 2021 by The White Rabbit add photo 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I am mightly interested in your efforts with the pigeon van as I have two of the same kit to make up - one day. Would you mind sharing details of how you painted your van? Not sure of the value to you, but here's a similar van at Banff. I'm not sure of the date - after colour film but before the end of passenger services (1964). 16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Just a Pannier crossing the viaduct. Hang on, what's the fireman saying!!! 'He's added the pep pipe!' 'Just checking its still there' Edited Wednesday at 11:36 by KNP 31 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponthir28 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 It’s not just a pannier crossing a viaduct. It’s a lovely pannier. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 'yep, pipes there' 'now the tree is in the way' 'Can't trust these photographers....!!!!' Edited Wednesday at 11:37 by KNP 15 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 hours ago, aardvark said: Interesting roof details. Definitely a different roof colour to the two coaches behind it, and there's no rainstrip to alter the flow of dirt. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Upset by the stinging comments from the fireman our bold and fearless photographer jumped on his bike and raced up to farm. He had to right this injustice. Luckily the window cleaner was there which enabled him to use his ladder to scale onto the roof and he got this picture There is the pep pipe with the fireman still looking..... And after all that the fireman didn't look up and see the efforts of the photographer...... Edited Wednesday at 11:37 by KNP 22 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) To conclude the pep pipe saga or PPS as its known in the trade here is a close up. Looking at that wagon I realised it was over 35 years old and I got it when I worked for Whitbreads and based in Cheltenham and of course a regular trip, when in the office, was to walk down to model shop. I am still using stuff brought from there to this day.......! Edited Wednesday at 11:37 by KNP 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, KNP said: Just a Pannier crossing the viaduct. Hang on, what's the fireman saying!!! 'He's added the pep pipe!' 'Just checking its still there' Kevin, I'm intrigued by the brickwork panels inside the viaduct arches. I've not seen such a feature previously. Where did you get inspiration from? do they have a purpose on the prototype? or are they just decorative? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, DonB said: Kevin, I'm intrigued by the brickwork panels inside the viaduct arches. I've not seen such a feature previously. Where did you get inspiration from? do they have a purpose on the prototype? or are they just decorative? Its two of the now Hornby R180 viaducts repainted, when I brought mine they where made by Triang!!!! 4 1 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Here is the Dukedog at rest after a test run along the branch line. Still waiting for number.... Is that rain I feel, perhaps we need to put the awning up? More pictures of the Earl tomorrow working main line.....! Edited Wednesday at 11:39 by KNP 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, KNP said: Here is the Dukedog It's one of the locos I had when modelling in 4mm and was a lovely smooth runner and even better with DCC.....enjoy ! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 17 hours ago, KNP said: Omigosh: now that I see a photo of the original, I suddenly realise I had one of these as a kid - long gone of course. Your transmogrification is truly astounding. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) The Earl moves sedately along the main line with a livestock special. Horses, pigeons, cattle, sheep & pigs all on the move today. The driver is under strict instructions do not stop or go slower than 20 mph through a non stopping station otherwise there'll be a stink raised......! I bet I can guess why! Squadron Leader got in on the act and has done a quick fly past on his way to breakfast? Edited Wednesday at 11:39 by KNP 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) Meanwhile at ground level Edited Wednesday at 11:40 by KNP 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KNP Posted February 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) And waiting by the crossing on the branch line. Another photographer. This loco, without doubt, is one of my best, slow runner in the fleet so will be seen a lot plus its such a modern (only 3 yrs old in my timescale) yet such an old looking design it fits in perfectly with this layouts design and operational policy. Edited Wednesday at 11:40 by KNP 38 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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