MikeTrice Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Very surreal morning today. Driving along the A224 at Polhill in Kent and spotted an old carriage in the car park of the Calcutta Curry Club restaurant. It turns out this is the Ex LNWR Semi Royal Saloon No 806 which will be staying there for the next 3 months between filming commitments. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted March 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2017 Very odd! Did you happen to get any more photos of it at all please? Its on my list to build at somepoint in the future.. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) The authentic greening of the upper panels due to the yellowing effect of coach varnish on top of blu-ish white has come over on film surprisingly. Genuine LNWR Deepframe bogies but with replacement LMS axlebox cover plates. The closest thing to this I have travelled in were the LNWR push-pull open saloons. They too had recessed wooden doors and curvaceous brass handrails. Edited March 13, 2017 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I was not expecting to find this so was unprepared. Photos taken of SWMBO's phone. Now I know it is there I will return at some point with my camera. If I can time it right I might even get inside it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 One more image from today: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 What is meant by "semi royal"? For use by the illegitimate children of the royal family? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted March 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2017 Semi Royal means that it was for use by the hanger's on. These vehicles could also be rented by anyone who could afford to purchase a ridiculous amount of first class tickets to where they wanted to go, whereas the Royal Saloons where kept for exclusive use by the royal family. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 What is meant by "semi royal"? For use by the illegitimate children of the royal family? It could be used in the LNW Royal Train if needed without letting the shareholders loose face. It could also be used as an open first class saloon in a train like the Sunny South Express just to keep up with the Jones's. Quite a flexible vehicle, its last use IIRC was as a dormitory coach in a breakdown train. Regrettably, from a preservation point of view, this meant that all the interior fixtures and fitting were scrapped leaving the inside in a somewhat nondescript condition. It would cost a fortune to restore the inside so it just has a pretty exterior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) It has an interior but has changed colour for various film assignments and is currently gold I believe. As you say might not be original. Edited March 13, 2017 by MikeTrice 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Very odd! Did you happen to get any more photos of it at all please? Its on my list to build at somepoint in the future.. Andy G Andy, I have a set of Trevor Charlton 4mm (etched zinc) sides/ends if you are interested. The inner and outer ends, doors and clerestory sides are part of the "kit". I had intended to make up a D1, but it is not now suited to my stock needs for London Road. Jol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted March 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2017 PM sent Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I am pretty sure Derek Lawrence and I produced this vehicle at least one time in 4mm scale. Trevor Charlton's etched zink parts were always a delight to line out; far better than the usual sharp edge brass etchings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Interior can be seen here: http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/806.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Paid another visit today and this time took my camera. One or two photos later If anyone wants a particular image of something on the exterior chances are I have taken one so just ask. P.S. The upper panels appearing blue are due to the fact the film company that recently borrowed it painted them a pale blue. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The original LNWR white had some blue in it, to counter the effect of the varnish yellowing. Philip Millard, the acknowledged expert on LNWR carriages, is of the view that anything from a blue tinted white (as per the photo) to a pale cream after several years of service, would be realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The late David Jenkinson once told me one of the LNWR Saloons was turning from bluish white to a greenish tinge due to the yellowing effect of varnish as had occurred in LNWR days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The authentic greening of the upper panels due to the yellowing effect of coach varnish on top of blu-ish white has come over on film surprisingly. Genuine LNWR Deepframe bogies but with replacement LMS axlebox cover plates. The closest thing to this I have travelled in were the LNWR push-pull open saloons. They too had recessed wooden doors and curvaceous brass handrails. Until this latest move, you could have ridden in this carriage on the Lavender Line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2017 They are cracking photos Mike. I now have some etches on the way, so could I have copies of your photos please? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC-31A Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Attached are a couple of photos of it whilst it was at the Lavender Line in July 2014/5. I have a couple of others of the exterior but similar to already posted ones. The Interior ones are I believe are after it was styled used for a filming set on location Martin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hamblin Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I could have sworn it looked like that inside when I trevelled on it at Giants of Steam in October 2007 (when City of Truro was the guest visitor). It was back the Bluebell recently for a filming job (hence the blue paint). Regards, Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 It is now dark wood (scumbled?) inside. Did not get the opportunity to take photos unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The livery on the Semi-Royal is partly correct as the lining is wrong. This should be gold around the all paneling, not white. However, as carriage was painted for filming then I suspect anything goes. The interior was apparently white when built. According to Jenkinson's LNWR Coaches, six were built, one - 803 - became part of the Prime Minister's WW2 train and was" the only one to remain substantially as built throughout its lif". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I assume the white lining on the coach while it was on the Lavender line was acting as a base for the chrome yellow lining. The 'yellow' would certainly be more vivid than on top of plum. In LNWR days, the lining paint would most likely be a thick paste that would cover anything. I have seen professional liners charge their brush and walk along the side of a bus following a chalk line. An amazing skill that, thank goodness, is still with us in some of the young painters working for heritage centres. Incidentally, when done correctly the yellow lining had a white line either side. Edited March 16, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 AFAIK if you want to do some 1 to 1 modelling the coach is still for sale and has been for a few years. Unfortunately I've just brought a car and a new fridge freezer this month so that puts me out the frame but out of pure interest what sort of figure would a coach like this command? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Unfortunately I've just brought a car and a new fridge freezer this month so that puts me out the frame but out of pure interest what sort of figure would a coach like this command? Buying it is one thing, storing, transporting and maintaining it is probably the biggest problem. It would be nice if it went to Quainton, where there are several other LNWR carriages or somewhere else with a LNWR connection, rather than in a car park in Kent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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