wellseasoned Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Has somebody eaten all of the pies then...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 Yup, they must have. Sorry about the lack of update, I'm somewhere much further east of Great Yarmouth at the minute pulled away by a last minute 'thing' that came up.........steady now, steady Am back on Monday and will pie/graph/scribbled line it in an update then. Cheers Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRH_Dan_Hull Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 YES!!!!!!! So glad common sense has won through here!!To say I am happy about this is an understatement. I have only just found out today, you wouldn't believe how? I looked up the Farish castle thread because I I know they are due out soon and wanted to find out more and someone on there mentioned the DJM King. I have gone and ordered one, now to go fourth and spread the word! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Hi everyone, Here's the latest update as of today Friday 12th May. Despite adverts starting to hit magazines there has been a distinct drop off in orders for this locomotive. I'm not going to do a pie chart but in order the numbers are as follows... 001=50, 002=51, 003=48, 004=27, 005=67 I am not despondent though, as i truly believe more people will come aware of the project over the next 6 weeks and sign up to it. It may just show the size of N as opposed to OO gauge in a new light, or that people just do not want a large GWR loco on the back of the wonderful Farish Castle...... i truly don't know. Onwards and upwards as they say, and i'm pretty sure this model will be a big success, it's just getting the word out, because this detailed a model at this price is perfect for those that want something GWR / WR on their layouts. Updates will come weekly now as that way we can judge more easily the trends in this project. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cape Town Trev Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I hope this gets made. I am one of those not to have signed up as yet. It is all too easy to fill in my details and hit the send button to register for these crowd funded models but pay later. I have a number (not double figures yet) of commitments with both DJM and Revolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpgibbons Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Realistically the best way to help future models get made is to help current ones get funded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I'd have thought there are a number of people who committed to the OO version, who have been discarded when that project when down the pan so are unwilling to commit to this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I am wondering if the arrival of the Farish Castle has actually weakened the case for a King, personally I am awaiting the arrival of the sound version of the Castle, but a couple of my N gauge friends have purchased the non sound versions and when we discussed the King project did not appear too enthusiastic saying that they could not justify any further commitment at the present time and that they did not really need another 'large' GWR/WR loco, It is a pity perhaps that the King project was not launched a few months earlier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 I'd have thought there are a number of people who committed to the OO version, who have been discarded when that project when down the pan so are unwilling to commit to this one. Interesting prose! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Hi everyone, Here's the latest update as of today Friday 12th May. Despite adverts starting to hit magazines there has been a distinct drop off in orders for this locomotive. I'm not going to do a pie chart but in order the numbers are as follows... 001=50, 002=51, 003=48, 004=27, 005=67 I am not despondent though, as i truly believe more people will come aware of the project over the next 6 weeks and sign up to it. It may just show the size of N as opposed to OO gauge in a new light, or that people just do not want a large GWR loco on the back of the wonderful Farish Castle...... i truly don't know. Onwards and upwards as they say, and i'm pretty sure this model will be a big success, it's just getting the word out, because this detailed a model at this price is perfect for those that want something GWR / WR on their layouts. Updates will come weekly now as that way we can judge more easily the trends in this project. Cheers Dave Just as a reminder, where is it we need to get to? I had in my mind 250 of each but I could just have imagined that. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 Hi Chris, Yes, it's about that. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I'd have thought there are a number of people who committed to the OO version, who have been discarded when that project when down the pan so are unwilling to commit to this one. I had ordered the OO version but will not be ordering the N gauge one. This is only on the simple grounds because I do not do N gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2017 I had ordered the OO version but will not be ordering the N gauge one. This is only on the simple grounds because I do not do N gauge. Yeah I'm in the same boat. I had the 9 BR Versions plus the Steam Ltd Ed on preorder in OO Gauge but won't be ordering the N Gauge versions. It would be interesting to know the number of total preorders the OO Gauge one had. Obviously must have been a fairly low number since they said they were withdrawing due to the Hornby model alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted May 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think if there had been a straight forward state event from Dave at the time Hattons withdrew saying , things had changed, post Brexit, the Hornby one was suppressing the market, therefor I am cancelling this, then people would have understood and moved on . However as far as I can see the OO gauge customers have been left hanging with a vague statement that it may proceed at some stage in the future. I don't think Kexit had been dealt with particularly well , which I'm sure may have some impact on this. But as you say it may be that n gauge market is just so much smaller that it can't sustain a crowd funded model, although the Revolution Pendo seems to be doing alright. Could it be there are more n gauge modern image modellers than steam? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 I don't think it's a vague statement saying it might proceed in the future, it's more positive than saying it's dropped. Which it isn't. Hattons figures for the King were quite buoyant, but when you take into account the variations to detail etc, not buoyant enough to, when taking into account the saturation of a 'competing' model of the same class, justify putting a huge amount of money into a project where it would take a very long time indeed to recoup and make profit. The best thing was to withdraw the OO one from further development, and not throw good money at something that in the short term would have been a liability. It's a decision I fully understand and agree with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted May 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think if there had been a straight forward state event from Dave at the time Hattons withdrew saying , things had changed, post Brexit, the Hornby one was suppressing the market, therefor I am cancelling this, then people would have understood and moved on . However as far as I can see the OO gauge customers have been left hanging with a vague statement that it may proceed at some stage in the future. I don't think Kexit had been dealt with particularly well , which I'm sure may have some impact on this. But as you say it may be that n gauge market is just so much smaller that it can't sustain a crowd funded model, although the Revolution Pendo seems to be doing alright. Could it be there are more n gauge modern image modellers than steam? To be honest I thought Dave's statement was fair and explained the situation well. If you want an example of left hanging, look at things like the Bachmann Class 24/1 which still seems to be planned but for which no progress is ever reported. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 But as you say it may be that n gauge market is just so much smaller that it can't sustain a crowd funded model, although the Revolution Pendo seems to be doing alright. Could it be there are more n gauge modern image modellers than steam? Revolution's Pendolino and 321/320 are going ahead but the 21/29 did not get the numbers. It could be that there are more MI modelers. It could also just be the MI modelers tend to be younger and more open to alternative funding mechanisms while older modelers prefer to stick waiting for a product to be released before shelling out their cash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 With reference to the size of the N Gauge Market vs 00.... I have before me Hattons Summer brochure which they send usually with their orders....it has 31 pages in total advertising their wares! Of those pages 24 list 00 items, of the remaing 6 pages 3,1/2 pages list N Gauge, and the remaining pages are dedicated to 0. 00-9 and non specific lines such as power units decoders etc. I am not saying that this is a positive indication of the size of the UK outline N Gauge market, but it may indicate how a retailer may perceive it! Incidentally the brochure came with an order containing around £350 worth of N GAUGE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Hi Dave Without wanting to be negative or pessamistic on this, what is the plan if you don't hit the required figure? Will you leave the order book open longer and delay production? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1023 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Is the blue version BR era prototypical or is it just a preservation era thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpgibbons Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 It's the early BR express loco livery worn by Kings between 1949 and 1951. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellseasoned Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Hi Dave Without wanting to be negative or pessamistic on this, what is the plan if you don't hit the required figure? Will you leave the order book open longer and delay production? That's an interesting question that if we are honest is probably on a few minds. I really do hope this goes ahead and I have said I would like two Kings. If by the date set the level of interest fails to meet the required figure, I cannot see that an extension of time would help/do the trick. I have already decided where my money will be alternatively spent...on a couple of Castles. I will surely not be alone on deciding this. Hopefully enough interest will make the Kings viable by the given date, and I can go for them first and get some Castles at my leisure. I'm sure they will be around for a few years to come! This isn't pessimism on my part either, rather realism. Anyway, fingers crossed the Kings happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpgibbons Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Agreed. A firm deadline and an ongoing forum presence is necessary to create a sense of excitement and engagement and fear of missing out, and to get waverers off the fence. I thought Revolution did an excellent job in building interest in their N Gauge B Class Tanks. I also think this project could do with more airtime over at the NGF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Ordered a BR late crest king to try and help you western guys out. I can always sell it on, someone's bound to want one at a later date. How goes the order book? Edited May 19, 2017 by Mr chapman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Didn't the revolution guys suddenly get lots of orders after they confirmed they were going ahead with the class B tank wagon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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