Stephenwolsten Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) A view showing the tight configuration of the LOR and station, dock wall, and MDHB shed and dock lines at Princes Dock. Edited October 6, 2022 by Stephenwolsten 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) A later view, after demolition of Princes Dock LOR station. The station was badly damaged in the 1941 blitz and never reopened. This means I will not have to model the station and my Judith Edge kits will suffice. Edited September 29, 2019 by Stephenwolsten Added information 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) An unusual 1954 picture taken through the window of the MDHB workshop at Princes Dock. The saddle tank is on a trolley. Courtesy of Stations UK. Edited September 30, 2019 by Stephenwolsten Dated. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 LOR remains in dock wall. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 A Salford view, rather than Liverpool, but useful to see this in colour as the scene is similar to a BR goods depot near the Liverpool docks. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 A useful view of one end of the MDHB Princes Dock shed (preservation scene). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Heaven on earth? The 4D Model Shop in London. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Wow! where is that? Steve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, sb67 said: Wow! where is that? Steve. I've just discovered this shop. They also do free tours to demonstrate other services such as etching, 3D etc. https://modelshop.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stephenwolsten said: I've just discovered this shop. They also do free tours to demonstrate other services such as etching, 3D etc. https://modelshop.co.uk/ I've just looked at the virtual tour of the shop, looks like a proper Aladdins cave, nice find! Steve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Nice find Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) This extract from a signalling diagram for the MDHB Riverside Branch shows the dock road (top), the dock lines, the route of the Overhead Railway (above them), a transit shed (left) and the Princes Dock engine shed that I hope to model. I may also include the separate MDHB workshop which was further to the right (south) - see next picture for this segment. Edited October 16, 2019 by Stephenwolsten Added information 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 MDHB workshop, transit shed and dock lines. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 USA O scale, two dimensional photographic 'flat' of the back of an Ohio building. These items work best behind a three dimensional model building. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Dock gate and the distinctive masonry of the quayside wall. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) This is an example of a railway photograph without a train that yields so much modelling information - gate mechanisms, torn posters, the police hut with a bobby on duty plus telephone bells and a little porch roof, the way the pavement dips down at the gates to avoid a curb, the unusual signal with wiring kept above traffic level etc. Photograph by the late Alec Swain and one of a series he took on a walk along the length of the Liverpool dock road. Edited October 21, 2019 by Stephenwolsten 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simontaylor484 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 What a great photo loads of detail and atmosphere 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On a school trip in the early 60's to Clarence Dock Power Station we were told that they sold steam to Bibby's down that high level pipe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) I have just discovered a really useful resource published by a lecturer/model maker named David Neat. His Wordpress blog contains a wealth of advice and information on subjects including modelling buildings and surfaces, techniques, materials, tools, and suppliers. If you delve into his blog using the menu bar you will get the most out of his site. He also runs small tutorial workshops in London. https://davidneat.wordpress.com/ David Neat's blog appears to be based on, and updates, his book (below) on the same subject: Model Making: Material and Methods. By David Neat Hardbacked 176 pages (with many colour photographs). Models can be used in a wide variety of situations, including theatre production, architecture design, animation, and set design. For each different situation a specific material is often preferable, and this handy guide addresses the best model-making materials, from the standard and traditional to the new and innovative. Tips are provided on how each of the materials behaves and how best to use them, and illustrated instructions demonstrate methods of building, shaping, surfacing, and painting each material. A number of examples are also included along with step-by-step accounts of what materials were used and how they were manipulated without the need for expensive tools or workshop facilities. A directory covering the full range of materials involved in model-making together with an extensive list of suppliers complete this essential resource. Edited October 25, 2019 by Stephenwolsten Added information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 Another testimonial for David Neat's work: "As one of the commenters exclaims on David Neat’s blog of modelling tips: “I feel like I’ve just discovered the Holy Grail of modelling sites!” David’s simple, plain WordPress blog betrays the amount and quality of the content found there. David writes about and teaches model-making and this site gathers the materials from his books, courses, and lectures. There is a ton of material here, on everything from technical drawing to materials and supplies for modelling, modelling techniques (from the most general to the very specific), and lots more. David even has a Lexicon section with terms used in model-making. Most of what’s covered concerns architectural models and models used in set decorating, but the techniques can be applied to any type of building and terrain modelling. I look at a lot of hobby modelling sites and rarely have I seen one with this much depth, rigor, and high-value content. I will definitely be spending a lot of time here in the future. One of the more useful series on the site is found under the Methods -> Making Realistic Models menu. There you will find five lengthy modelling tutorials.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 I am currently counting brick courses, studying windows/doors/lintels, estimating building dimensions in feet and inches, converting this to 7mm scale size and wondering if my maths is correct! So this fine example of laser cut brickwork by Richard Ellis of www.monksgate.co.uk caught my eye. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) I know this is the old fashioned way, but I hope this work will eventually provide a basis for computer aided design of buildings for Atlantic Dock. It's already useful to see the rough scale dimensions of the MDHB workshop in relation to, for example, the height of the Overhead Railway. Edited October 7, 2022 by Stephenwolsten 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 3D printing is opening up great opportunities for all modellers. Here is a capstan photographed in Liverpool docks and a similar one being being printed by CADhris for Atlantic Dock. Model capstan design and photo copyrigh CADhris. https://www.cadhris.com/ 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephenwolsten Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) I have been temporarily diverted from railway to marine modelling by the issue of including boats at the front of dockside layouts, especially in 7mm. Suitably small models in the right scale are rare. Many small vessels such as tugs come in 1:32 scale and smaller scale ones are in 1:48 not 1:43 scale. Anything bigger than a tug starts to turn out quite large in 0 scale. For example, my 1930s built tanker (scrapped in the late 1950s) is 44 inches long in 1:48 scale. There is a potential danger that a large vessel could distract too much from the rest of a diorama/layout. A dry dock scene might help. The Caldercraft coaster SS Talacre (built 1917) is a popular kit for 0 gauge layouts, as are Clyde Puffers. But Clyde Puffers only operated in a restricted area of relatively calm waters and they did not travel far. They can easily look out of place. Small naval vessels such as minesweepers did visit Liverpool docks and a navy reserve base, but military vessels might look out of place in commercial docks in peacetime. Which brings us back to tug kits (not the the American type with a rounded bridge). As noted elsewhere in RMweb, a small docks steam tug is ideal, rather than a large, modern salvage type, and fortunately these vessels are also popular with R/c boat builders. The Assurance class navy tug is the only one kit known to me that is available in 1:43 scale. Fortunately it also comes in a civilian version without guns. The steam tug Kerne (pictured below ,and in my 26 May 2019 post) is my favourite choice. It regularly moored at Princes Dock, Liverpool and was used for lighterage work. The image below is Wellington Dock but includes a good view of a lighter too. Kerne is available as a kit but sadly only in 1:32 scale. But Kerne would make an ideal scratch built waterline model for Atlantic Dock, with or without a lighter. The trick is to suggest a corner of a dock with the larger vessels and expanse of water out of view. As shown in the photo, such corners frequently provided moorings for small service vessels such as tugs, pilot boats and lighters - sometimes alongside each other. There is also plenty of scope for modelling small dock details in such a corner, for example, steps, ropes, capstans and a rowing boat. Edited October 6, 2022 by Stephenwolsten 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Hi Stephen, Mike Edge has pointed me your way as I mentioned a similar area of interest to him. I am note sure how I have managed to miss this impressive collection of photos and information that you have managed to amass. I was having similar thoughts of modeling (but in 4mm) the BR line where it emerged from the former Waterloo Goods Depot and crossed the dock road and headed towards riverside. I have been so far limited to having a play trying to work out curvature and space required, or should I say what could be reasonably fitted into say 6-8ft. I have geo-referenced a few screen shots to try and establish radius of some of the MHDR pointwork and riverside branch. Not sure but this appears to be a pre LOR and Riverside connection so pre-1893 image from old-maps. When I measure the circled point I get from nose to end of switch blades of about 25ft.Some of the curves look to be about 2 chains, maybe a touch less. Estimates so far, from measuring the line and remnants would suggest the BR line was somewhere between 4 to 4.5 chains radius. I am not sure if you have during any of your information gathering measured or come across any dimensions? Secondly - when did the BR style signals appear (with the weight and signal wires running along the wall) - like those that controlled the access across the Dock Road - where these after the demise of the LOR? Cheers James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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