Paul.Uni Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 A Crowdfunder campaign to return 563 to steam has been opened. https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/lswr-t3-no-563-return-to-steam-appeal/?utm_source=crowdfunder&utm_medium=dashboardfacebookblock&utm_content=shareonfacebook&utm_campaign=marketing Alternatively you can donate by Paypal via the SRT website https://www.swanagerailwaytrust.org/giving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 The Swanage Railway has launched a £2 million appeal to restore the T3. This may be a bit premature as I thought they were conducting a feasibility study to see if it can be restored to working order first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 The Swanage Railway has launched a £2 million appeal to restore the T3. This may be a bit premature as I thought they were conducting a feasibility study to see if it can be restored to working order first. For 2 million they could possibly build a brand new T3 and therefore be able to leave 563 as she is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2017 For 2 million they could possibly build a brand new T3 and therefore be able to leave 563 as she is. And do what with it? Any interest it might have for most of the railway's clientele would pretty much evaporate if placed up against a working loco that looks the same. The Swanage Railway is a busy, hard-working tourist line with little or no space to spare for anything that doesn't have an operational function. If 563 was to be stuffed and mounted it should have been where it came from, but they no longer wanted it. If that's what the NRM expected, they sent it to the wrong place. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 It looks like the T3 will leave Corfe Castle shortly. I think there will be a leaving ceremony next Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) . Edited November 8, 2017 by Bon Accord Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) . I agree that 563 should not have been given away, if at all, without much more thought/planning. The place for time capsules is the NRM, not a working railway. The latter needs working locos and the Swanage line doesn't have any facility for adequately displaying non-working ones under cover. Even if a replica were to be built for operation, the issue would still remain of what to do with the original. John Edited November 8, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Farewell party for T3 from 11:00 - 15:00 Saturday 11 November at Corfe Castle station. T3 leaving Corfe Castle for the Flour Mill in Gloucestershire on Monday13 November for feasibility study to see if it can be returned to steam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2017 Even if a replica were to be built for operation, the issue would still remain of what to do with the original. John It could be stored in the carriage shed at Herston. . .. . .oh hang on a minute. . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I really hope it can be returned to steam. If it's not precious enough for the national collection (and it's not hugely remarkable of itself), then I'd love to see an elegant Edwardian 4-4-0 doing what it was built for rather than anything else. The fact that it's LSWR is something of a bonus for someone of an LSWR/ SR persuasion such as me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I really hope it can be returned to steam. If it's not precious enough for the national collection (and it's not hugely remarkable of itself), then I'd love to see an elegant Edwardian 4-4-0 doing what it was built for rather than anything else. The fact that it's LSWR is something of a bonus for someone of an LSWR/ SR persuasion such as me. Agree totally but I think the chance of having a working Victorian 4-4-0 transcends what ever its origins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 The Swanage Railway held a leaving party for the T3 yesterday on Saturday 11 November. The army lorry was serving hot drinks, cakes and ice creams and the public were allowed to go into the cab. One of the members had repainted the boiler lining. On Monday it is due to leave Corfe Castle for the Flour Mill by the Dean Forest Railway where it will be stripped down and they will see if it can be restored to working order. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted November 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2017 The Flour Mill have great expertise and track record of restoring very old locomotives. We hope their report on 563 will be made public in due course so the best option for the loco's future can be determined. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Sunday 12 November. The Swanage Railway has now moved the T3 away from the viewing area by the cattle dock at Corfe Castle to the sidings by the coal sheds prior to moving the T3 to the Flour Mill tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 There is a stunning evening picture taken on Sunday 12 November of T3 563 with some Bulleid coaches and a couple on the platform wearing Edwardian clothes on the Swanage Railway Unofficial Facebook Group. It is now the group photograph. It was a Timeline Events photo charter but it does not seem to be on their website yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) One of the South Dorset Modellers saw the T3 about to leave Norden for the Flour Mill yesterday at about 16:00. There is a picture of it on a low loader on Facebook. It looks like one or two people are not happy about the criticism of the gift of the T3 on this site. I think that the future of the T3 looks encouraging now. Edited November 14, 2017 by Robin Brasher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Yes Robin, there are pics of the loco on the low-loader, with Corfe Castle in the back ground, on fb, but I just counldn't be bothered to copy them here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 It looks like one or two people are not happy about the criticism of the gift of the T3 on this site. Tough !! It's become a modern day British habit, someone makes a decision - there's always someone else who's gonna whinge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 The sum of £2 million in the appeal for funds to restore the T3 was written in error. The likely cost of restoring the T3 is £500,000 based on similar projects. The T3's tender is still on the Swanage Railway so it looks like the tender will be restored locally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The sum of £2 million in the appeal for funds to restore the T3 was written in error. The likely cost of restoring the T3 is £500,000 based on similar projects. The T3's tender is still on the Swanage Railway so it looks like the tender will be restored locally. And there's a crowd-funding appeal for £50,000. Lots of wild 'shooting in the dark' figures don't exactly inspire confidence but the fact is, no one will know the true cost until they do the job. Think 'Flying Scotsman' and add 30 years to its age and ten times the length of time out of traffic. I wonder if they'll ultrasonically test the wheels, for instance? (CJL) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted November 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2017 Tough !! It's become a modern day British habit, someone makes a decision - there's always someone else who's gonna whinge. Not necessarily just that...my gripe is that the whole process of gifting, as opposed to long term loan say, an artifact belonging 'to the nation' to a private enterprise and selection of the recipient enterprise is still not, to my mind, clear or transparent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2017 Tough !! It's become a modern day British habit, someone makes a decision - there's always someone else who's gonna whinge. And a good thing it is too that people do. Too many people appeart to sit back, make decisions, and expect people to be happy with them and get all upset when people aren't (this isn't a comment on this issue though, I don't know enough to have an opinion either way). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Not necessarily just that...my gripe is that the whole process of gifting, as opposed to long term loan say, an artifact belonging 'to the nation' to a private enterprise and selection of the recipient enterprise is still not, to my mind, clear or transparent. You're quite right. If none of us 'whinge' we let things go through that are wrong, without anyone to point out that it is wrong. In this case, WE the people, owned a locomotive which had come to the NRM through a historic decision that it was worth preserving. It was trusted to the NRM on our behalf. It had come into the National Collection at no cost, and had earned (even at the lowest of the NRM's figures) £119,000 through the 'Railway Children' theatre deal. Earned more than enough to buy it a refurbishment back to display condition. Instead, it was gifted to a Railway where its future is uncertain (will it be restored to steam, will it be displayed, if so, where. Can the railway actually afford to do anything with it?) Why should the Swanage Railway be lumbered with renovation costs, when the loco had earned enough to cover that cost? To express the view that what's been done is wrong, and that the whole issue has been badly handled, is not a 'whinge'. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Not necessarily just that...my gripe is that the whole process of gifting, as opposed to long term loan say, an artifact belonging 'to the nation' to a private enterprise and selection of the recipient enterprise is still not, to my mind, clear or transparent. Absolutely. I'd love to see the loco restored and running, but cannot see why this couldn't be accomplished under a 25 or 30 year loan (or longer), or why the loco couldn't have remained under cover until restoration began, or why the process followed in giving away public assets to private groups or individuals is no more transparent than a statement after the fact saying "we chatted to our pals at swanage and asked if they'd like a free loco, so we signed everything in 10 minutes and we don't care if anyone isn't happy or has concerns, it can't be undone now." 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsetmike Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The Flour Mill assessment is being funnded by a private sponsor; the restoration appeal is curently sitting at about £43,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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