MarcD Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Having read this year Dave Brewer Challenge and even though I'm not going to make Expo Narrow Gauge 2017, as I live in the Lake District and I’m not able to get to Kent, I have decided to have a go. I also needed something to demonstrate at the Solrail show at Workington in November. The rules for this year. For the 2017 Challenge the theme is ‘The Halt’, a small, wayside stop alongside a single, narrow gauge track. No loop, no sidings, just a single line of rails. The model is to be a diorama and is not required to operate. The model may use any scale and gauge combination, as long as it represents a narrow (ie less than 4 ft 8.5 ins) gauge, with a maximum gauge of 45 mm. Any structures may be wholly scratch-built, or use parts from kits or commercial models, but no unaltered kits or commercial models can be used. A train or rolling stock may be placed on the track, if desired. To ensure we can fit entries into the available space please use these maximum sizes: 60 cm by 25 cm by 30 cm high for gauges 14 mm and above, but less than 32 mm. Any lighting can be above the height limit. So from this I have decided to build Eskdale Green Station on the “Owd Ratty” more known as the original 3ft gauge Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway. As the track will be 21mm gauge the space I have to play with is 600mm long by 250mm by 300mm high. And although the challenge says that the layout doesn’t need to be operated the plan is to build all the stock circ 1890-1910. I will be using code 100 flat bottom rail pin to wooden sleepers. I have just ordered the 7mm NG Association’s Ravenglass and Eskdale rolling stock drawing book so the next job is find a nice afternoon and get out and photograph the remains of the original station. Well that’s the plan. Wish me luck Marc 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted March 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2017 That's got the potential to make a really good looking model. Yes, indeed, good luck, will enjoy seeing you making it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2017 Hello Marc, good luck with this, I did Irton Rd in 09 and got to know T'Owd Ratty pretty well. Eskdale Green now bears no relation to how it was! But there are some photos around. I can dig around if you like, I donated most of my Ratty materials. If you are considering including a train [which looks optional] then there is a guy who appaerntly produces the Millwall Extension railway manning wardle 2-4-0T in 7mm scale - which is relevant because above the running plate it is near identical with Devon & Nab Gill, the Ratty locos. Hope this helps! Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Interesting I will have a look at the loco it might save me some work. If you have any info it would be brilliant. I've just got to juggle this with the day job. It's going to be nice to do something for me for a change. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just had a look at the 7mm Millwall loco I might be able to print most of the locos which will make life easier. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted April 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2017 This is a photo of a tinted postcard of Eskdale Green in 'The Ratty Album' vol 1 [was there a vol 2?] There are also b/w photos of the wooden shelter as used at this & other stations I can maybe get a better scan if that helps Dava 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 I will have to try and get hold of a copy. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper John Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Good luck Marc, I started volunteering on the La'al Ratty last year, I picked this up from the preservation society, a very good little book with lots of pics. HTH. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryP Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Just had a look at the 7mm Millwall loco I might be able to print most of the locos which will make life easier. Marc I note they have a different safety valve cover. As I have scratch built one in 7mm for the Millwall Extension railway, but need this ( no lathe skills yet), if you wanted to remove it, i'd buy the original from you? I have asked if he'd do this separate and am awaiting a response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted April 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2017 Have fun. I'm hoping to get to the Ratty tomorrow. PS just looked at the Solrail show website, looks really interesting and some good traders. Put it in my diary, chance to get there behind a class 37 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianblenk Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Hi All, I have a printed 4mm Millwall Extension M.W from Shapeways, maybe they could produce one in 7mm? Ian B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted April 3, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2017 Already offered by CDC / Streetlevel Models - see www.shapeways.com/product/E3JCL8VJ2/0-gauge-kit-for-millwall-extension-railway-2-4-0-t?optionId=60279104 Regards Chris H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L49 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) I note they have a different safety valve cover. As I have scratch built one in 7mm for the Millwall Extension railway, but need this ( no lathe skills yet), if you wanted to remove it, i'd buy the original from you? I have asked if he'd do this separate and am awaiting a response. Apologies! I've not long started in a new post with the Methodist church in Bedfordshire, and all my Shapeways work has gone out of the window. I'l get to it as soon as I can. Charlie Edited April 3, 2017 by L49 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 for some inspiration, do you know of Peter Kazer's Boot layout although its not 7mm , its 1/4 inch which isnt far off other locos which are almost identical to Nabgill and Dervon were on Malta http://www.stamps-for-sale.com/ekmps/shops/stewcoin/images/malta-1983-centenary-of-malta-railway-sg-705-fine-used-20162-p.jpg http://maltarailway.com/rolling/RM1912_4.jpg Although i know it doesnt help much as there isnt much info about them available. I'll have a look in my local museum library tomorrow as they have the 3 volumes of Fred Harmans manning wardle books Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) just remebered that ive got a book about malta railway and on a page is a good quality left hand 3/4 view and below it the works drawing at about 9mm scale but its not quite a good enough quality scan/print to read the measurement. The opposite pages gives these measurement for Malta No's 1-3 MW 842 - 844 Overall length - 22' maximum height - 10' 6" (im guessing this includes to the top of the whistle on top of the cab roof and not up to the roof itself) cylinders - 10 1/2" x 18" wheelbase - 9' 7" wheel dia' - 3' 5" grate area- 4.5 square feet weight empty - 17 ton weight full - 22 ton And ive also got the 1981 reprint of WJK Davies book on the R&ER, which has a very nice side drawing and the following measurements on the next page; ive changed some of the wording a bit to simplify it overbufferbeams - 9' 1" (this is what it says so must be a typo, i would say 19' 1") overall width - 6' 8" footplate to cab roof - 6' 4" wheelbase - 9' 7" wheel dia' - 2' 9" cylinders - 10" x 16" Edited April 6, 2017 by sir douglas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted April 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2017 This sounds great, I'll look forward to seeing developments. I had a go at creating a vague impression of Eskdale and the 3 foot Ratty in 5.5mm scale, got as far as building this from coffee stirrers and bit and bobs: cheers, Keith 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 my scans of the books i did also scan my copie of the 7mm publication but it didnt come out right so ive not included it fred harman R&ER.pdf R&ER WJK Davies.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark374 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 This sounds like a excellent layout, have thought off doing the ratty in 4mm scale, with both standard and 15'' gauge, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 Just been to Eskdale for a bit of a field trip. Got some great shots of the bridge. I can see why they moved the position of the station for the 15inch gauge. The new station is on the crest of the hill whereas the 3ft gauge station was on the gradient. Does anyone have a suggestion for the most appropriate rail profile? Its supposed to be flat bottomed spiked to wooden sleepers. I was planning to use either code 75 or code 100 flat bottomed rail. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Are you aware that the track through the bridge was raised significantly during the late 1920s to remove the dip at the base of Hollin How bank? There is a picture somewhere of the old station building sat at ground level afterwards, so I reckon the current track level is around the same height as the 3ft gauge platform Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 I wasn't but that would make sense the current platform looks lower than the 3ft one and the 15inch locos were at least initially a lot less powerful than the 3ft ones. marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Good luck Marc, I started volunteering on the La'al Ratty last year, I picked this up from the preservation society, a very good little book with lots of pics. DSCN0821.JPG HTH. The book arrived this morning. Interesting photos. Hoping to start the drawings the week after next. Due to the no commercial nature of the rolling stock I'm not going to produce any of the rolling stock a kits I'm just going to get them printed, if people want one I will put them one our shapeways shop and they can get one printed. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 I have just found out that "Eskdale Green station" in 1900 wasn't a halt as I first thought it had a siding running from the Ravenglass end with the buffers at the boot end. This now stops it qualifying for the Dave Brewer Challenge. But it does make it more interesting to operate. So as I wasn't going to actually enter the competition this year I'm going to do the job properly and with our rush. So I might enter it into the Cameo layout competition instead. So the new plan is the layout will be built on 1x 900x400 baseboard (with the option of adding more over time if desired) 2x2 road traversers built on 900x400 baseboards, track will be hand built All stock will be built from kits designed for the project DCC sound will be fitted to both locos if possible Plan needs to be finalised before September to allow entry into competition. some of the stock need to be ready or in a buildable state by November 17 for Workington model railway show. Marc 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just ordered one set of 3ft gauge 2ft3 wheels from slater's and they have also put together a set of their 2ft8 Manning Waddell standard gauge wheels on a 3ft axel. These should be here by the weekend. Off to Ravenglass on Sunday to have a look at the new museum that opens on Saturday. Hoping there are some more info in the 3ft gauge. Marc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroal05 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 There should be, including panels from one of the original 3ft gauge vehicles constructed into a replica! Alex 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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