RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted November 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 hours ago, Gwiwer said: I still find it a little hard to think of the IoW without its trains of Standard stock. 7-cars in summer. 4-car in winter. They have been gone for a long time now and while traffic levels continued to decline and the 1938 stock was only ever intended to run as 2-car and 4-car trains it hasn't been quite the same. Two carriages trundling up Ryde Pier (one of which is locked out of use these days as the guard is not permitted to walk between them any more) seems almost an apology but the passenger numbers are simply not there. Steamers no longer arrive from Portsmouth with several hundred passengers two or three times an hour. The catamaran brings in a few tens on many crossings and a couple of hundred at most on a peak summer sailing. Mostly once an hour though twice on peak days. This reflects the situation written about on other threads referring to the terminal decline of coastal termini like Stranraer and Fishguard. Foot passengers simply don't travel overland between Britain and Ireland any more, low-cost airlines have taken the market, even of those who didn't see themselves as time-sensitive. Likewise I suspect Isle of Wight traffic is overwhelmingly car-borne and goes via Cowes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2020 The Pier Head is only served now by the usually hourly FastCat from Portsmouth Harbour which has been suspended a couple of times this year and indeed gets cancelled frequently at the drop of a hat whenever it gets a bit breezy in the Solent. Nearby on the other side of Gunwharf Quays is the car ferry to Fishbourne which is far better frequented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted November 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, John M Upton said: FastCat from Portsmouth Harbour which ..... gets cancelled frequently at the drop of a hat whenever it gets a bit breezy in the Solent. A problem afflicting all routes where "heavy" craft have been replaced with "lightweight" but often faster multihull vessels. When the first catamarans (Our Lady Patricia and Our Lady Pamela) replaced the MVs Brading, Shanklin and Southsea it was a case of two-for-three and a capacity cut from around 1300 per crossing to 500. The daily service for much of the year required both cats in service, or 100% availability in railway terms, which was remarkably managed most of the time. Ryde Pier suffers from any wind in the northern quarter and from a strong easterly; while none of those are the most common it can also be very tricky coming alongside under certain conditions of wind and tide at any time. The large boats didn't suffer in the same way simply because they were large and heavy and didn't bob around more or less on top of the water as a cat does. The eastern landing stage alongside the railway pier has been used in emergency (indeed I have boarded there once or twice) but has been out of commission for many years now. That was the one used when both the normal pier head berths were already in use by steamers and a third one arrived. Yes, you could have three vessels alongside at Ryde all disgorging 1000-plus passengers at much the same time. Not any more. 46 minutes ago, Northmoor said: I suspect Isle of Wight traffic is overwhelmingly car-borne and goes via Cowes. I believe the split of vehicle traffic is approximately 50% Portsmouth - Fishbourne, 35% Southampton - East Cowes with 15% on the Lymington - Yarmouth crossing which has always been much quieter. Pedestrian traffic has the choice of Portsmouth - Ryde Pierhead (fast cat), Southsea - Ryde Esplanade (hovercraft), Southampton - West Cowes (Red Jet) and all of the car ferries though apart from Lymington - Yarmouth few foot passengers use those. East Cowes requires a floating-bridge crossing to reach the main centre of West Cowes and Fishbourne is slightly remote and not served by any onward public transport. In common with the nationwide trend there has been a steady shift from public to private transport over many years. Just compare the size of the car ferries which brought the Standard stock over in 1966 with those in use today and their double-deck loading ramps. Even the "small" ferries still in use from Lymington are twice the size of their predecessors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 Meanwhile further along the south coast at Eastbourne a selection of blue-grey CIGs and VEPs (Nov84) 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2020 I've now located my 1989 pics from IoW. Unit 485.045 at Ryde Pier Head and Shanklin, and car S15 in blue-grey at Ryde St Johns. The chalk marking on S15 says no brake. With the impending arrival of 1938 stock, I doubt she ever ran again. 19 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 'Brand X' on one of the end cars there! Wonder what that was about. Also, did the LT 'A' and 'D' end markings get removed with painting into NSE colours? The D is visible on S15 in the last pic, but no A or D on the NSE ones? The A and D letters were something to do with the 'handedness' of the end cars for coupling weren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2020 As there was no way of turning them around short of hiring a ruddy big road crane, I suspect the end markings were probably superfluous. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) S15 was the spare car iirc. While it could only have been turned by crane the D-end marking might have been considered relevant if it migrated between units. Here’s an unusual moment. Not posted here until now as a gallery of spectators was not required. The electric 458 unit had derailed whilst making an empty-stock movement in Clapham Yard during Monday afternoon. On Tuesday morning a diesel 159 was coupled via an adaptor to act as tractor and brake force. The 458 was split with the derailed coach not rerailed until late in the day using the jack-and-pack method. The 159 removed four “good” coaches of the 458 before being shunted to the other end and removing the damaged coach. The red train is an up suburban working unrelated to the incident. Edited December 3, 2020 by Gwiwer 8 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Metr0Land said: I've now located my 1989 pics from IoW. Unit 485.045 at Ryde Pier Head and Shanklin, and car S15 in blue-grey at Ryde St Johns. The chalk marking on S15 says no brake. With the impending arrival of 1938 stock, I doubt she ever ran again. Super photos. The NSE livery sits really well on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Gwiwer said: S15 was the spare car iirc. While it could only have been turned by crane the D-end marking might have been considered relevant if it migrated between units 1 hour ago, John M Upton said: As there was no way of turning them around short of hiring a ruddy big road crane, I suspect the end markings were probably superfluous. And yet there are plenty of photos on the web of blue and blue/grey units running with A and D markings. As well as some without. As you say, probably superfluous once on the island but carried over from London practice. edit: and photos of some ex-1938 cars also carrying the A and D letters on the IOW. Edited December 3, 2020 by eastwestdivide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) On 28/11/2020 at 22:16, Chris116 said: On both trips at least one of the guards went between the two carriages while the train was moving and at no time did the train have one carriage out of use. AFAIK that's not been allowed on the Island for some years now. They can move between carriages but only when stationary - after a year (?) of being stuck at the Ryde end of the train, every unit had a buzzer fitted in the other carriage so, after a year (?) of being stuck at the Ryde end of the train, they could complete door duties and switch carriages before giving the right away. Edited December 4, 2020 by Christopher125 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 20/11/2020 at 19:01, Grizz said: ......and the floor..... Blooming mice!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2020 From what turned out to be my final rides on 1938 tube stock back in 2016. I have no chance in the few remaining days to get to the Island and there are precious few passenger ferry crossings between Portsmouth and Ryde anyway. There are alternatives but all require rather more time than the direct train-to-train crossing. 1. The view up the former tramway with the railway on the left as the catamaran comes alongside at Ryde Pierhead. This also shows that Ryde Pier is in fact three separate but linked structures. 2. "Mister Bond" 007 trundles up the pier to form the next train to Shanklin 3. The desolate - and derelict - condition of Ryde Pierhead station as seen from a doorway on 007 4. The Island Line platform at Smallbrook Junction which is only served when IOWSR trains are operating as there is no other access. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post astropsidings Posted December 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 CIG 7345 at Ash Vale on an Alton train, 9th February 1985. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 4EPB 5028 and a sister arrive at Waterloo East June 1985 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Test running of 701s down to Poole is becoming more common. This was taken just over two hours ago.... 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 A couple of pics of 501's shortly before their demise. 501.160 at Watford showing that no LT units had passed this way for some time, the centre rail being rusty. 501.163 approaches Willesden Junction, LT units still continued to harrow and Wealdstone. Both March 1985. 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2020 When Isle of Wight car S19S had finished its useful life, she was stripped internally and used as a store at Sandown until scrapping in 1989. She was allocated the internal user number 083569 and painted olive. Later photos on the net show her more of a brown colour but that seems to be from standing in the elements. In this Apr85 view she is already marked as condemned. 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted January 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2021 Happy New Year to all on the EMU thread 25 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted January 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Metr0Land said: Happy New Year to all on the EMU thread A very happy new year to you as well. Can you tell us which station that is please? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2021 Feltham in the early 90's, since rebuilt somewhat. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Claude_Dreyfus Posted January 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) A couple from the Isle of Wight from back on 8th August 2010. On duty were 483004 working singly and an unidentified pair (one of which may have been 006 based on other photos from a similar time I have found on the net). The only unit I saw at close quarters was 004, I only got to see the pair on the pier from the ferry as we were heading back to Portsmouth. 004 at Shanklin 004 approaches Shanklin 004 passes a vintage open top bus at Ryde Esplanade (although I do wonder if the bus is a few years younger than the train)... ...and over the crossover. Unidentified pair approaching Ryde Pier. This was my final photograph of the class 483 in service. Edited September 16, 2023 by Claude_Dreyfus Fixed Photos 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1950s Bristol K bus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2021 CDL 899, 1939 built actually so not much in it!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meld Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 The start of the transfer of the Siemens Class 707 Desiro City units from SWR to SE Trains has started. 707004 and 707003 arrived at Grove Park Depot from Wimbledon Park Depot in the early hours of Saturday Morning, 9th January 2021. There is an Onward movement to Hitachi's Ashford Depot booked for Sunday 10th January and a couple of test runs booked from Ashford to Sevenoaks and back for Wednesday 13th and Saturday 16th January 2021. Meld 14 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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