Guest spet0114 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Three questions:1. Are the two models of City of Truro going to be simply new batches of the earlier ones (31-725NRM and 31-725ANRM respectively) or will there be minor differences and hence new catalogue numbers?2. Will the models of 47 798 and 799 portray matching periods? The reason I ask is that I thought that the 2013 model of 798 represented it in its post-preservation guise (black-backed nameplates etc) at which time 799 was no longer in 'royal' condition.3. Will the model of 799 portray its various idiosyncrasies - hasn't one end got a plated-over headcode box?CheersAdrian Edited August 3, 2018 by spet0114 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Is there an expected price for CoT? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Great to see a new release of 3440. Will be adding this one to the collection for certain! Will it have a gloss finish? Edited April 15, 2017 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Any idea when City of Truro will be up on the site for pre-order? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgardiner Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Whoo Hoo!! A City of Truro run/re-run. I missed it before and that's one I've wanted. I'll be ordering whenever it goes up on the Locomotion site. Cheers, Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) I'm still waiting for the SVR BR black version . . . . . mutter grumble . . . . Edited April 16, 2017 by PaulRhB 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted April 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2017 Just another point too ..... there are some beautiful models to come this year which some of you will be pleased with, You'll get to hear about those in the coming months Happy days! That's a tease! Hmmm, I'm looking out for a new tool Class 31 (Brush Type 2/3) and a 4-COR EMU! The former with a decent chassis, the latter with internal lights, motor in the guards compartment, and route indicator lights (like the Hornby 2-SUB, before they went design clever). I was a bit worried when somebody mentioned an Oerlikon, whether it would be a single, twin or twin power unit from WW2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
71H Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 An NRM loco..........how about Mallard......again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOgaugeJaf Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Nothing really new then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted April 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) I'm still hoping Boxhill will get done one day. Fingers crossed for later in the year... Edited April 16, 2017 by Ian J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 I never got the chance to buy the original release for either City Of Truro model cause of how late past their release I started railway modelling, so this is a good thing for me. Hopefully the pre-orders for them will be up tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) I'm still hoping Boxhill will get done one day. Fingers crossed for later in the year... Hopefully not until we get a model Terrier up to modern standards. Preferably from Hornby or Bachmann. The Dapol/Hornby one must be nearly 30 years old.... Edited for date. It first came out in 1988. Jason Edited April 16, 2017 by Steamport Southport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Lots of mixed comments there! Ok not sure yet on a price, models hopefully in stock later this year, pre orders should be up on the website in the next couple of weeks and gloss finish? I don't think so but don't quote me on that! Spet - I'll have to find out and answer your questions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2017 Hopefully a gloss finish is decided in favour of. Either way an order will be coming from me but I would love to match in with my Flying Scotsman and King George V. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Who am I to argue with collectors, but why not a semi-gloss finish? Matt is inappropriate on the restored City of Truro, but so too is gloss on a small 4mm scale model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Models should be made as per the prototype, eg. If you can see your face in the real thing then you should see a reflection of some sort in the model. Gloss for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Three questions: 1. Are the two models of City of Truro going to be simply new batches of the earlier ones (31-725NRM and 31-725ANRM respectively) or will there be minor differences and hence new catalogue numbers? 2. Will the models of 47 798 and 799 portray matching periods? The reason I ask is that I thought that the 2013 model of 798 represented it in its post-preservation guise (black-backed nameplates etc) at which time 799 was no longer in 'royal' condition. 3. Will the model of 799 portray its various idiosyncrasies - hasn't one end got a plated-over headcode box? Cheers Adriab Ok spet.. 1. New catalogue numbers like a b or a c 2. It will be in the same condition as 798 the point is we would like to be able to have a matching pair. 3. Yes is the answer to that one . Hope this helps Cheers San Signing off ❤️❤️ At York ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted April 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2017 All the best Sandra. Sad to see you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted April 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2017 Hopefully not until we get a model Terrier up to modern standards. Preferably from Hornby or Bachmann. The Dapol/Hornby one must be nearly 30 years old.... Edited for date. It first came out in 1988. Jason I certainly think a model in the range of what has been done so far would have to be all new tooling. The only existing model that might get away with it would be Dapol's O gauge Terrier, but then that wouldn't be for OO as all previous Locomotion releases seem to have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 . Nice (although there should have been a 4-COR announced). Can you confirm for which dates your "City of Truro with red frames" and "city with black frames" are going to be accurate for, THANKS. . I am delighted that the City of Truro will be re-introduced, especially with Indian Red frames. Black-frames were introduced from 1906, but the Indian Red framed CoT can only represent the 'as preserved' condition. The model sports a top feed, which were introduced to the class from 1911. However, I believe that the top feed shoulders and pipes should unclip, allowing removal (though I would be grateful for confirmation of that), allowing a lined boiler band to be added in its place. The safety valve bonnet would need to be filled. I think that it is otherwise of the correct pattern, but perhaps someone can correct me if I am wrong. A more drastic change would be to shorten the smokebox. According to RCTS, these were extended just prior to superheating, which took place in 1910-1912, so I would assume that the longer smokebox would not have been seen in conjunction with Indian Red frames. It strikes me that, with care, these changes could be made without harm to the green and Indian Red areas of the locomotive. I have not checked other details, but 3440 was not one of those originally fitted with a cast chimney, so I am assuming the copper-capped variety on the model is fine for the early condition of this loco, but perhaps someone can correct me if I am wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I am delighted that the City of Truro will be re-introduced, especially with Indian Red frames. Black-frames were introduced from 1906, but the Indian Red framed CoT can only represent the 'as preserved' condition. The model sports a top feed, which were introduced to the class from 1911. However, I believe that the top feed shoulders and pipes should unclip, allowing removal (though I would be grateful for confirmation of that), allowing a lined boiler band to be added in its place. The safety valve bonnet would need to be filled. I think that it is otherwise of the correct pattern, but perhaps someone can correct me if I am wrong. A more drastic change would be to shorten the smokebox. According to RCTS, these were extended just prior to superheating, which took place in 1910-1912, so I would assume that the longer smokebox would not have been seen in conjunction with Indian Red frames. It strikes me that, with care, these changes could be made without harm to the green and Indian Red areas of the locomotive. I have not checked other details, but 3440 was not one of those originally fitted with a cast chimney, so I am assuming the copper-capped variety on the model is fine for the early condition of this loco, but perhaps someone can correct me if I am wrong. When were the unsymmetrical frame reinforcements added? This would surely limit the scope for back-dating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) When were the unsymmetrical frame reinforcements added? This would surely limit the scope for back-dating? Good point! That would be a real b*gger to fix. I'll see if I can find the date. And, of course, the more you look, the more detail differences you notice. Ah well, more money saved! Edited April 18, 2017 by Edwardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 BEWARE of using Swindon 'official' photographs. As you can see the city name and number have been added from another negative. I need to check but I recall that image is based on an Atbara rebuild, not a bespoke city build. Note the fluted rods. The model is correct! As for the strengthening plates, there were random and it will be difficult to find two the same. Note on the Bachmann/NRM/Locomotion models the left and right hand side are different....as the full size 3440. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Its sad that there are redundancies happening at Shildon with Sandra going. There was another member of staff there as part of the team, is he still staying or is he likely to be going. Sounds like two jobs to become one with cost savings the implication there. I do think that the Locomotion models: The National Collection in Minature is a massive strength for the brand of the NRM, unless its not actually bringing in as much money/profit as hoped and as a result they want to either slim the operation down to make it more cost effective, or effectively sub contract the work out to other outlets, which I suspect is less likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2017 BEWARE of using Swindon 'official' photographs. As you can see the city name and number have been added from another negative. I need to check but I recall that image is based on an Atbara rebuild, not a bespoke city build. Note the fluted rods. The model is correct! As for the strengthening plates, there were random and it will be difficult to find two the same. Note on the Bachmann/NRM/Locomotion models the left and right hand side are different....as the full size 3440. Mike Wiltshire The rods are not necessarily a guide even for those built as 'Cities' - for example 3711 was photographed (probably 1920s) with fluted rods so possibly rods were swopped during works visits at some time. The frames do however tell the story and the picture posted by 'Edwardian' is not a genuine 'City' and definitely isn't 3433 (although could it be a rebuilt 'Atbara' if the frames weren't altered on rebuilding?). Rather amusingly the same image was used in the 1911 GWR 'Names of Engines' booklet but in that case it appeared as 3434 'City of Birmingham' and I wonder, from certain details, if the original photo might have been of 3405 'Mauritius' after conversion as the prototype for the 'Cities'? Incidentally the 1928 edition of 'Great Western Railway Engines' includes a genuine image of a 'City' in photograhic grey and it looks to be the actual 3715 with proper 'City' frames and a top feed superheated boiler so the photo was probably contemporaneous with the preparation of the booklet. Although the picture is small it looks as if the coupling rod might be fluted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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