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It's a start.. Points glued down and ballasted. I reverted to Dark Brown fine ballast for this layout. It will be noticed the points do not line up with the spray marks on the cork. This is because I had to move the whole track complex several inches to the right after realising that shortening the platform to take five coaches instead of six (as on the real thing) prevented me curving the sidings to pass behind the signal box.....

 

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Track ready formed to 250" radius waiting for neat PVA to go down....

 

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The weighting (and waiting) game. Tracks through the station have been laid and ballasted, the curve carefully checked for kinks, and then weighted with 3"X 1" and 2" X 1" plus lots of heavy books. This was it at 14.24hrs. Off shopping now!

 

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If I had thought about it earlier, I could have built Carrog closer to the doorway and linked the section across the fields towards Glyndyfrdwy with the outside extension.  Ain't hindsight wonderful... :swoon:

 

But you wouldn't have had that nice change in ground levels which will photograph very nicely.

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Painted the rails this morning with Phoenix-Precision P977 Track Colour (rusty Rails) ....

 

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Switch blades were painted over with Phoenix-Precision P981 Dirty Black to represent grease.....

 

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Sleepers and sides of rail painted Dirt Black where locos stand at platform end....

 

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It is all a far cry from years ago when I laid track without any thought given to the work I would face ballasting it ....

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In conclusion and taking everything into consideration, I can safely say this Peco bullhead track has been the easiest to lay yet. It is flexible yes, but it retains it form. Spraying it, as I have done, helps make it more rigid and yet it takes to readjusting on top of the PVA glue if things go awry. And in the end, it looks good.

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That's looking excellent Larry. I'm following this with extra interest because I shall be starting on the same process myself in 2 or 3 weeks but I'm minded to wait for the bullhead points - depends how impatient I get!

 

Please may I ask which rail joiners you are using? I think you mentioned above they are very tight which sounds a good thing to me.

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That's looking excellent Larry. I'm following this with extra interest because I shall be starting on the same process myself in 2 or 3 weeks but I'm minded to wait for the bullhead points - depends how impatient I get!

 

Please may I ask which rail joiners you are using? I think you mentioned above they are very tight which sounds a good thing to me.

Thanks. The rail joiners are standard Peco Code 75  SL-110 and SL-111. It was imperative I build the layout now in good weather, but I have left myself the option of changing the current Streamline points for the bullhead large radius when they appear.

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Thanks. The rail joiners are standard Peco Code 75  SL-110 and SL-111. It was imperative I build the layout now in good weather, but I have left myself the option of changing the current Streamline points for the bullhead large radius when they appear.

 

 

 

Thanks Larry. If there is too long a wait for the bullhead pointwork I shall do the same.

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Sunshine or hailstone, I spent a pleasant day spent measuring up Carrogs platforms and goods yard today. At this time of year, natures colours are never brighter. The early afternoon local from Corwen is waiting for the right away....

 

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Sunshine or hailstone, I spent a pleasant day spent measuring up Carrogs platforms and goods yard today. At this time of year, natures colours are never brighter. The early afternoon local from Corwen is waiting for the right away....

 

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I am quite envious, you have a station that still exists.

 

I couldn't quite bring myself to measure up a nursing home!

 

All the best

 

TONY

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CARROG YARD....

 

Diary full of measurements, calculator to convert feet to millimeters, ash and grey ballast at the ready....

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Neat PVA spread evenly (note pre-painted rails at the ready).....

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Lay and pin here and there to hold track in key places.....

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Sprinkle on grey ballast mix between rails.....

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Vacuum off......

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Add ash to remainder of track.....

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Vacuum off as before....

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Finish off with more ash across length & breadth of goods yard.....

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After vacuuming off, press with finger here and there and where glue oozes through, sprinkle on grass.....

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Place timbers and books to weight down track until dry....

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The grass.....

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The ash after it had been filed down to dust where shunters etc walk....

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The part on the right opposite the points has not been filed down. Rails now painted rust colour.....

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The yard as it is today. Laid in the 1990's, the two tracks have been used to store vehicles and so the ballast is not discolored and rails are dark rust....

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A signalbox was placed in position to give an idea of how things will look....

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A view of todays yard looking in the opposite direction....

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Sorry Larry,

 

Did you say if you were doing it as it is today or as it was historically? I'd recommend "The Llangollen Line"-Ruabon to Barmouth by W.G Rear it's a fantastic reference. Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

 

Cheers,

 

John

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Sorry Larry,

 

Did you say if you were doing it as it is today or as it was historically? I'd recommend "The Llangollen Line"-Ruabon to Barmouth by W.G Rear it's a fantastic reference. Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

 

Cheers,

 

John

Bill Rear was an old friend of mine as was Greg Fox, so I rarely had to buy Foxline books. Yup, the Llangollen Line has been on my shelves since first published. I am back-engineering Carrog in 4mm to the 1950's, hence the ash in the yard and dark brown ballast on the running lines.

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Thin-sleepered track such as that from SMP or DC Concepts is ideal in yards where ballast or ash is up almost to sleeper top level. I used DC Concepts.

 

Straight out of the box, this factory weathered Hattons 14XX is on the yard tracks.....

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In comparison, No. 1471 is shown below on Peco bullhead track with thicker sleepers. It is satisfying to see the loco leans on the super-elevated running line while the coach in the yard is on track laid flat....

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Thin-sleepered track such as that from SMP or DC Concepts is ideal in yards where ballast or ash is up almost to sleeper top level. I used DC Concepts.

 

Straight out of the box, this factory weathered Hattons 14XX is on the yard tracks.....

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In comparison, No. 1471 is shown below on Peco bullhead track with thicker sleepers. It is satisfying to see the loco leans on the super-elevated running line while the coach in the yard is on track laid flat....

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I was about to say the 14xx seems a bit dirty for preservation!

 

I've only once been to the Llangollen, when I was coming back from Anglesey, but would love to go again!

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Just been looking at some of your photos of Carrog (the prototype). I think it's fortunate that on WR preserved lines we still have goods yards, like on 'my' railway Bewdley, Arley, Highley, in a way Bridgnorth and I guess Hampton Loade all retain their goods yards/sidings. Not however their goods sheds :(

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