coachmann Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Marginally more likely to have been seen at Greenfield rather than Carrog......? Only joking. Was the prototype photo taken at London Road? Dave. It was taken behind Manchester Central in the early 1960s. It was 1961 or 1962, no later. It was a cold day I remember. I am sure Pacific's only got to Greenfield during steam hereafter. By the time they left the West Coast, the Standedge route was in the capable hands of English Electric Type 4's, which didn't require double heading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Do you think the new Hornby model of City of Birmingham will be to the same standard? If, so. . . . I am seriously tempted! Edit to add: I went to the storage unit today and retrieved my half completed 14XX and Dean Goods OO gauge models. I have enough projects on the go already but I could not leave them to rot while you are discussing both models! Whether I actually have the time and inclination to work on them remains to be seen, but if I do, it's all your fault! Edited November 9, 2017 by Focalplane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 It is good that you are completing some of your 4mm/00 locos then you can sell them to finance your 0 gauge layout and some of the forthcoming engines. Oh, well, I was thinking of donating them to Carrog! Now I have to sell them. . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 This lovely machine arrived by post today as a complete surprise and has given me the opportunity to see the new crimson lake 'in the flesh'. I haven't any brass coaches in to compare but it looks like Hornby got it right. Thank goodness they did not ruin its depth with a chalky white varnish; The sheen looks just right on a model and I dare say both could considerably improve the appearance of Hornby's coaches. Seen undergoing clearance tests in Carrog yard in preparation for the coming Santa Specials.... WEB Duchess 9.jpg But, but, but....it is Crimson Lake....NOT GWR green It should be green! Khris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedman Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 This lovely machine arrived by post today as a complete surprise and has given me the opportunity to see the new crimson lake 'in the flesh'. I haven't any brass coaches in to compare but it looks like Hornby got it right. Thank goodness they did not ruin its depth with a chalky white varnish; The sheen looks just right on a model and I dare say both could considerably improve the appearance of Hornby's coaches. Seen undergoing clearance tests in Carrog yard in preparation for the coming Santa Specials.... WEB Duchess 9.jpg A Collett support coach was borrowed from the SVR ... WEB Duchess 11.jpg I took this 55 years ago in another goods yard nearer my birthplace.... WEB Duchess 3.jpg Now at is what I call a loco. Ivatt's version of Stanier's masterpiece. Shame about the pony truck or I'd have one myself. Keep up the excellent work. Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 But, but, but....it is Crimson Lake....NOT GWR green It should be green! Khris I know....shame on me. However, green could not match BR maroon on these Ivatt's..............Sir William looked so regal, in fact 'Salford never looked quite as impressive and seemed to be less popular with lineside photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 I know....shame on me. However, green could not match BR maroon on these Ivatt's..............Sir William looked so regal, in fact 'Salford never looked quite as impressive and seemed to be less popular with lineside photographers. Mike Edge's 00 model of City of Salford looked pretty impressive in BR blue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Mike Edge's 00 model of City of Salford looked pretty impressive in BR blue... I'll bet it does. Mikes one of the best builders in my book. I should add though that the real one never carried it..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 It's a cacking model Coach. If you can run it on Carrog, I'm sure I can get one over the Mendips. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Larry I just made the expensive mistake of looking at the instructions for Finney7's re-issue of the Princess Coronation. I doubt if my skills are sufficient for this kit but the build photos do look superb. I met the Finney7 team at Telford in September and was most impressed with their dedication, knowledge and expertise. The net result is that I won't be ordering a Hornby City of Birmingham, but if I win the lottery. . . . I might buy both. My baseboards for module 1 of Penmaenpool have been fabricated so I hope to start laying track at the end of next week. Your stellar progress with Carrog is a great motivator to get things done. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 This lovely machine arrived by post today as a complete surprise and has given me the opportunity to see the new crimson lake 'in the flesh'. I haven't any brass coaches in to compare but it looks like Hornby got it right. Thank goodness they did not ruin its depth with a chalky white varnish; The sheen looks just right on a model and I dare say both could considerably improve the appearance of Hornby's coaches. Seen undergoing clearance tests in Carrog yard in preparation for the coming Santa Specials.... WEB Duchess 9.jpg A Collett support coach was borrowed from the SVR ... WEB Duchess 11.jpg I took this 55 years ago in another goods yard nearer my birthplace.... WEB Duchess 3.jpg Manchester Central 24 March 1962 Strangely my shot has the front of your shot and yours has the back of mine ! 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) Manchester Central 24 March 1962 Strangely my shot has the front of your shot and yours has the back of mine ! Wow, just before my 20th birthday. And look at that rain! Your very evocative picture in colour really brings it all back to me. And it is sad in many ways... Edited November 10, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 Mike Edge's 00 model of City of Salford looked pretty impressive in BR blue... It's green now - after I discovered that 46257 was just about the only one which went from black to green and never carried the blue livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 It's green now - after I discovered that 46257 was just about the only one which went from black to green and never carried the blue livery. I presumed it was one of those Rule 1 things Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedman Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Manchester Central 24 March 1962 Strangely my shot has the front of your shot and yours has the back of mine ! 1000MC240362~1.jpg I remember going to this. Really enjoyed it. Didn't have a camera then, unfortunately. Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coachmann Posted November 11, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I wondered if folk would be interested in the images I took to determine whether to put the clock back to 1949. I hinted before I was considering it and so a Hornby Collett BR coach was chosen as the guinea pig. It was repainted in 1945 GWR livery which of course used the pre-way insignia with a closer spaced G W R. However, it is one of those anomaly liveries that were about just after Nationalization where someone has correctly removed the door lettering (except for Guard) but deliberately left GWR and crest flying the company colours! The cream has been distressed and the rest of the coach weathered in my usual manner.... The green on the Dean Goods is computer generated just ot give me an idea of how things might look if I take this route... It is easy to see why the new BR liveries lit up the Nationalized system. For GWR cream, I started with my BR mix and added a touch of chrome yellow and then black to remove the brightness. For GWR brown, I mixed red, black and chrome yellow. These three colours (well two colours and a shade) would be held by all the railway companies in stores... Edited November 11, 2017 by coachmann 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
380John Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I think it looks superb. Could you mix your running sessions to have a taster of both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I like the BR (GWR) coach....I am planning to have a few coaches and wagons in pre BR livery....worn....along with the BR locos still holding onto GWR and NE livery. Looking at photos, it does seem entirely plausable for the old liveries to have lasted well into BR times, possibly even post 1956.... The SR is a case in point....as they used to re-varnish Southern Rilaeay green coaches rather then re-paint into BR livery... Indeed some coaches never carried any BR livery, until they were "allowed" to be painted green again! Post 1956! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 I like the BR (GWR) coach....I am planning to have a few coaches and wagons in pre BR livery....worn....along with the BR locos still holding onto GWR and NE livery. Looking at photos, it does seem entirely plausable for the old liveries to have lasted well into BR times, possibly even post 1956.... The SR is a case in point....as they used to re-varnish Southern Rilaeay green coaches rather then re-paint into BR livery... Indeed some coaches never carried any BR livery, until they were "allowed" to be painted green again! Post 1956! Judging by published photos and cine-to-video films, the Western Region did not hang about once BR had determined its standard liveries in 1949. Compare this with the other big-three where LMS maroon, LNER teak and particularly SR green (as you said) could still be found in quite large numbers in 1953-4. The cream on GWR coaches interested me as it appeared to go yellower and darker during the war years until it was virtually indistinguishable from very weathered brown. There is reason to believe a more yellowish cream was applied during the Hawksworth era, and I noticed the Severn Valley has actually carried this out on coaches with the post-war double waist lining. I have spotted other small livery detail changes and so for me, the SVR is at the forefront of carriage restoration. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I wedge a small piece of foam about 5mm square and of required thickness between the axel and underside of the wagon. Easy to remove at a later date if not required. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Are you going to be installing BH points to match the rest of the track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) Are you going to be installing BH points to match the rest of the track? A very good friend sent me two. Once I saw them, it was a done deal and two more were purchased. Edited November 12, 2017 by coachmann 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7TunnelShunter Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I came to the conclusion I will have to have marked wagons with 'brakes' that will always have to be at the end of wagons being propelled. The answer was to wrap masking tape around one axle until it is wound thickly enough to bear on something on the undergear. When propelling loose fitted (unfitted) wagons into sidings on the level or a falling gradient, in the 70s, I was taught to always pin down (so they rubbed not fully on) one or two of the lead wagons - so if things broke away when I stopped the loco they would not run away, so your idea is prototypically correct. Keep up the great work. Best Chris 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 PGH came up with the suggestion I use the sponge to lightly 'apply' the 'brakes' on every wagon rather than have just a few with the brakes hard on. It's worth a try ~ when the weather warms up! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 When propelling loose fitted (unfitted) wagons into sidings on the level or a falling gradient, in the 70s, I was taught to always pin down (so they rubbed not fully on) one or two of the lead wagons - so if things broke away when I stopped the loco they would not run away, so your idea is prototypically correct. Keep up the great work. Best Chris I can remember being told to lift the brake handle out of the rest at the top of the slide and let it drop down and just sit with the blocks against the wheels. Then you could push down on the lever without having to lift it first. You could always push down and get the pin in one hole, then the brakes just rubbed. Stopped the wagons moving after you pulled away. Always a nuisance when wagons knocked off wanted to follow you out of the siding.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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