rope runner Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Hi All, I've approached Agenoria 0 gauge models with a view to procuring a reduced set of etches in 4mm scale for one of their 0-6-0ST "Ironstone" 15'' Bagnall locos. Preliminary discussions indicate that to make this viable and affordable, we would need to produce a run of 10 etches (body and chassis). Some notes about this project The artwork would be adapted to 4mm scale, with suitable tolerance/clearance considerations taken into account when the artwork is being reduced No castings/turned fittings/bushes would be included We have not discussed the provision of frame spacers for EM/P4, this would be dependent on the interested parties The etches would be considered a "scratch aid", and for experienced modelers I will liaise with those interested to discuss requirements, advise of the approach taken, and ultimately organize the taking of deposits for any interested parties. I will maintain full contact throughout, contactable by phone, email and private message. There is hardly any profit in this at all (if any, I'm looking to only cover costs), but we'd be provisionally be looking at £50-60 per set of etches, plus £3.50 postage. The final price would be quoted upfront, before any deposits are taken. At the moment though, what I need are "firm" expressions of interest via PM, complete with full name and telephone number. In return I'll assign a model number (or as many as you like...), pass on my contact details, and advise if/when we are in a position to move forward with the project. If I don't have enough interest within a month (May 19th), I will not pursue this project any further and all parties will be contacted and advised of this outcome. Kind regards, Paul A. Edited January 11, 2021 by 1whitemoor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 How good is the design of the etched parts? Brass or N/ Silver? Where would you source the fittings usually cast in white metal from? Gordon A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 How good is the design of the etched parts? Brass or N/ Silver? Where would you source the fittings usually cast in white metal from? Gordon A Hi Gordon, The etches will be based on the 7mm Agenoria etches drawn by Pete Stamper in the 90's. These are held in favorable regard by many industrial modelers, and in the case of the Bagnall, I have seen several of these built successfully in 0 gauge. The current plan is to have the chassis etched in N/S and the body and cylinder wrappers in brass. Sheet thicknesses are still TBC. With regards to castings I would be looking towards 247 developments/Gibson/D.M.R./Markits. Of course, you can always turn these yourself if you so desire, but I'm fairly confident that something close to those required will already exist, or will require minor work to bring up to scratch. The distinctive sandboxes on this model are etched, as is the mechanical lubricator. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Thanks for the reply Paul. Please put me down for one set of etches. Gordon A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Thanks for the reply Paul. Please put me down for one set of etches. Gordon A No problem at all Gordon, please PM me with your full name and telephone number and I'll confirm your etch number. Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 Hi all, Good news - We're now only 3 etches away from our target of 10. Thank you to all of those who have already been in contact. If you'd like a set, please drop me a PM - there will be no "second batch" after these three have been reserved. Kind regards, Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 So what isn't included? Such as - Buffers, chimney, safety valve, tank filler, whistle Injectors and piping, springs Boiler tube, smokebox door and handle Firebox doorplate, reversing lever Crosshead, slidebars, cylinders None of these are an insurmountable problem to provide and some I would probably make myself anyway but it may help some people to make up their mind. I expect that Alan Gibson can supply a suitable wheel? And I'm sure Mr Gibbons has a gearbox and motor combo that will fit beautifully. Put me down for one as well. Only 2 more required now! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Put me down for one as well. Only 2 more required now! Certainly, please PM your information and I'll assign you an etch. As you say, 2 more etches to be allocated now... Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Is there a decent scale drawing for this particular 15" Bagnall available anywhere? Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Is there a decent scale drawing for this particular 15" Bagnall available anywhere? Gordon A There are 4 of these locos preserved out of the 6 built, which is quite remarkable. The NRM hold the WG. Bagnall records, I would think it likely that they have a set. I'll ask Agenoria if we can have a set of the 7mm instructions, which includes a line drawing, to aid builders. I'm also putting together a CD of detail photographs from Cranford No.2, one of the preserved examples. Paul A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 1 more etch to be allocated! Many thanks to all those who've put their names down so far. Paul A. Edited April 24, 2017 by 1whitemoor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 That's a great photo Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 That's a great photo Paul. Sadly not my own unfortunately, I was allowed to borrow it form a friend for advertising this project. It shows WB2655/42 on loan to Cranford quarries in the 1960's when their own Bagnall WB2668/42 was undergoing repairs. Taken at the same time as the 2nd photo in the thread, with AE1919/24 in the background. All three locos are preserved. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Hi All, The artwork has now been finalized for the etches, so this project will be moving ahead. Still one set of etches up for grabs, PM me if you'd like them, details as above. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hi Paul - any news on this project, please? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hi Paul - any news on this project, please? Thanks. Yes - I'm trying to get to grips with the test etch at the moment. I didn't want to bore anyone with the details via. private message just yet. Some bits just won't do, so I've ordered an additional sheet from PPD, which I've designed myself. Watch this space, but I'll be in contact via PM in the next month or two, I've had a house move recently so the dust is still settling. Thanks Paul A. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2018 My etches arrived yesterday, together with a CD of instructions and photos, so many thanks for doing all this, Paul. I'd be very interested to know how others who have acquired a set of etches now plan to proceed, particularly with regard to sourcing the parts that Paul wasn't able to scale down, by virtue of them being castings or other items, such as wheels. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Yes, mine arrived yesterday and the etches look very good. Thanks Paul. I’ve yet to view the CD but most parts that would have been cast I’ll fabricate from styrene e.g. sandboxes. The dome/safety valves and water filler look like they could be made up from tube/styrene and some commercial Ross type valves. I’ll see what I can find for springs or make up one from styrene and then make resin castings. The chimney, always a characteristic fitting, is the most problematic. I’ll start with a search through the spare box with a view to finding something close and filing to improve it. And we’ll see where we go from there. . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 My etch also arrived yesterday. There are a number of Bagnall drawings held at the Stafford archives. They are vey helpful. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 You're of course more than welcome, thank you for making the project viable. The most difficult items will be injectors I think, if anyone has any brain waves short of making them up from brass tube, please share. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 They look like the injectors used on some pannier tanks, if so available as a casting separately. How about an Austerity saddle tank chimney - RT models? Gordon A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2018 Anyone got any suggestions about the smokebox, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Anyone got any suggestions about the smokebox, please? Hornby 'Percy'? Well, it's a suggestion, innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hornby 'Percy'? Well, it's a suggestion, innit? Thank you, old boy, for that most erudite and meaningful of suggestions. Perhaps there could be a Bagnall pattern smokebox door from someone else's kit that might do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Going to York this Saturday and hoping to pick up some parts. Has anyone drawn up a definitive list of what is required*? And who in the trade they could be acquired from? Not sure of the wheel size and spoke count so that I can get some suitable ones from Alan Gibson stand. Any info please? *Chimney, dome,tank filler, cylinders (turn my own), smoke box door (possibly turn myself??), buffers, whistles, safety valves, injectors and wheels. Anything else? Can't say I'm going to start it any time soon but I like to have all the bits to hand once I do. Edited March 28, 2018 by 5050 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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