Coal Tank Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Mike it's stunning Are you going to the S7 Spring meet John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 1, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2018 John, I am not sure when or where the spring meeting is. There is nothing in the last newsletter or on the web site. I will be going to Australia and Indonesia in March for six weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Cycling. ? Edited February 1, 2018 by Coal Tank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 2, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Yes John, cycling for 3 weeks and 3 weeks with our middle daughter. I woke up early this morning and couldn't get back to sleep. So I got up and went into the workshop after thinking how to do the front handrails. I took 3 short handrail knobs and filed the bottom lip off and then put a flat on both sides. This was about as close as I could get to how the brackets looked on the photographs. It think it doesn't look to bad. Edited February 2, 2018 by airnimal 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 2, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2018 I am having one of those days where most things go right. I have cut the balance weights out this morning which helps the look in my opinion. That will be it for a few days as my new grandson is on his way over with my youngest daughter. Tomorrow I will be going to the Stafford show. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewe North Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I can only apologise for this but I think you'll find that the smokebox door is not totally flat. It's the same as can be found on Ramsbottoms engines and early Webb ones eg coal engines/tanks that had lift up doors.The lower half of the door is 'rounded' out slightly almost a bulge, the only totally flat ones were fitted to the 0-4-0 saddletanks. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 3, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2018 John, thanks for the information about the smokebox door. I did suspect that was the case. Most photographs are taken side on which doesn't help. Perhaps I have been looking in the wrong places. Please don't worry about pointing out where I make mistakes because I would rather get it right before I get it painted. This is one of the problems using parts from kits that are not 100% accurate. I will take the smokebox door off and try and make a better representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewe North Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Mike There's a quite well known photo taken at New Street Brum ,could be in Talbot's books, showing the front end of a 2-4-2 tank on a train which had the same style door as 2-4-0. HTH John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2018 Not clear in your photo, but does the smokebox lamp bracket have a hole for the chain used to hold the door open? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Regularity, yes there is a hole in the top lamp bracket. I sat and pondered last night how to make a dished smokebox door and I came up with this. I cut a hole in a piece of 60 thou plasticard the same shape as the door and another slightly smaller to fit inside. I glued them together and when dry cut the centre part out that I wanted to be dished. I cut another piece to match the part I wanted dished and rounded the the curved on the bottom part. I annelid the nickel door and let it cooled. I then put the parts together and squeezed the all together in the vice. I had to do this a couple of times to get the shape I wanted. I am not sure if it's 100% correct. Edited February 4, 2018 by airnimal 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2018 A couple more shots. I hope I have explained the process well enough. Now all I have to is remove the old door and fit this one. The diamond pattern on the plasticard are the teeth marks from the vice. You can see where I have squeezed mainly at the bottom of the door. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) John, I am not sure when or where the spring meeting is. There is nothing in the last newsletter or on the web site. I will be going to Australia and Indonesia in March for six weeks. As far as I know it will be at Albury again. I'll try to include something in the next Newsletter. Edit: it's on Saturday 21 April and is indeed at Albury Village Hall (SG11 2JL) Richard Edited February 6, 2018 by wagonman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Until it was mentioned above re. top hinged doors, I too thought they were basically flat, but once it's been pointed out, and then looking through the photo's in Talbot's 'An Illustrated History of LNWR Locomotives', only then can be seen the subtle hint of a dome in the door, whether it was a plain arc, or otherwise I'm not sure. The later side view drawing on page 115, of a Precursor, shows a plain 'arc' top hung door.That's something else I've learn't from RMWeb. Edited February 4, 2018 by Penlan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2018 I've had a go at what looks like a domed door. I am not sure if I have got it right but I think it will have to do. I have got a lot of house work to do before the boss gets home from seeing the grandchildren in Swindon. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewe North Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) That's brilliant Mike...just the right amount of sublety John Edited February 4, 2018 by Crewe North Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2018 Thank you for your kind words. I am going to leave it as it is because I have so much more to do like finish all the wagons. I still have not the axle boxes yet but I have plenty of other things in the pipeline. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian@stenochs Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 A couple more shots. I hope I have explained the process well enough. Now all I have to is remove the old door and fit this one. The diamond pattern on the plasticard are the teeth marks from the vice. You can see where I have squeezed mainly at the bottom of the door. Mike, I have done something similar but used brass sheet which draws better than the nickel silver. However for what you needed here, just a subtle amount of curvature, the NS is the best material. It is also easier to solder the hinges onto NS than brass. Nice Work., Correction, Very Nice Work! Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2018 That’s bl00dy lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 6, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2018 I am going to eat my own words. I said the smokebox door would be fine but in my heart of hearts I am not satisfied. When I look at the pictures I can see the subtle curve from the flat outside edge to small central raised section. My attempt at pressing this shape has not achieved the best result in my opinion because it is lacking the flat outside edge. I have attempted to make another door from 2 separate layers as shown here but the transition from the flat outside edge is to pronounced. I think the answer will have to be another jig which will clamp the outside edge firm before I press the central section in the vice. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2018 The one in the photo (a "Problem"?) looks to have a reverse curve, at least from the bottom to the handle, though it looks rounded at the top. The arrangement of the chain that was mentioned earlier is clear here too. But what does the pin hook on to to hold the door open? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2018 The arrangement of the chain that was mentioned earlier is clear here too. But what does the pin hook on to to hold the door open?The smokebox locking handle. This is LNWR design at its best: simplicity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2018 The smokebox locking handle. I see - what I interpreted as a pin does look more hook-like on closer inspection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2018 I wonder if it inspired Iain Rice in suspending his fiddle yard on Trerice? I am always put in mind of a Ramsbottom smokebox door when I see it! I fudged mine a bit... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 10, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 Regularity, that is a fine model. Can we see more. I am not feeling well at present, I have been given some horrible bug by my daughter. Sat at home got me thinking about the smokebox door again. So I have tried again and I think I have made a better representation than all the other attempts. If I feel a bit better tomorrow I may have a go at fitting it. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Mike, Without the benefit of prototype knowledge, I think that the flat edge around the door is where the door seals to the front face of the smokebox... if that is correct then there is likely to be a flat edge to the top of the door (where the hinges are attached). Where you have got to now, compared to where you were, is so much better - do not give up! regards, Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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