RMweb Premium airnimal Posted August 25, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2020 A couple of shots of the method finally adopted to make the spring hangers. I length of 40 X 125 thou evergreen strip was drilled and filed to shape ( poorly ) before glueing over the end of the spring. Then a couple of pieces of 40 X 40 evergreen was cut to fit either side at the bottom after rounding of one edge before glueing them in place. A couple of disc's of black was punched out and stuck on. Simple in the end but I went round the house's to get here. 9 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted August 26, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2020 Progress has got a move on in the last couple of days. Even through we had a couple of grandchildren today I managed to get the rest of the bolts / nuts glued in. When they went home the sun came out and I washed and painted the body. All the fittings and wheels will have to wait awhile but at least it is starting to look like a wagon. 11 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted August 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2020 That really does look superb Mike - a job very well done. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted August 27, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2020 95% complete with just a few items to add. I would like to change the brass screws holding the axleboxes to the frame to countersunk ones so they are not as visible. I still have to resolve the issue with the buffers because they are not sprung. I have racked my brains on how to retro fit springs without success because of my lack of forward planning. I might not even spring them and just glue them up solid. There is not much lettering on this wagon and the small ones about the axleboxes are to small for me to attempt to do by hand so they will probably be left off. Things that would have made a big difference would be a second set of bearings / axleboxes behind the wheels and the bolts / nuts showing on the inside of the frames. I don't have a small pillar drill which would have made drilling the frames in the flat a lot easier rather than drilling by hand once the frames had been assembled. Drilling all those holes and keeping the drill bits parallel is impossible not helped by getting older. I have the large foundry casting my friend made for me as a load but rather than use that I would like to find a large wheel or a beam from a mill engine. 17 12 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Wonderful stuff as always, Mike. They just get better and better! Jim (a fan of unusual wagons) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Superb. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nickey Line Posted August 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, airnimal said: I still have to resolve the issue with the buffers because they are not sprung. I have racked my brains on how to retro fit springs without success because of my lack of forward planning. I might not even spring them and just glue them up solid. I wonder if it would be possible to make up springs of a suitable length, just under the diameter of the inside of the buffer housing, then securely glue them on the backs of the buffer heads, lastly gluing the other end to the rear face of the housing. That's probably completely unfeasible so feel free to ignore me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted August 27, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 27, 2020 Nickey Line, all suggestions are welcome, more the merrier. I have used the Peco parallel G.W.R buffers with the lip turned off but I can't use there method of springing on this build because of the open frame nature of this wagon. I have been playing around with a collar over a standard turned buffer from some I had in stock so I can use a 12 BA nut located inside the bufferbeam. I have already shortened the Peco buffer body so that it doesn't protrude beyond the bufferbeam so if I do the same on the turned buffer heads I might have the answer my spring problem. I won't be able to anything now untill Monday at the earliest because family matters are pencilled in which I am looking forward to. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nickey Line Posted August 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Nickey Line said: gluing the other end to the rear face of the housing That should of course read '...rear inner face...' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 27, 2020 Could you make dummy inside bearings? Maybe just with a U-shaped cut-out to sit over (but not in contact with) the axle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted August 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) I have turned down part of the steel buffer head to lower the spring which fits inside the collar. After shortening the length of the buffer head it now all fits in to the buffer body with only the nut protruding and when chemical blackened, hopefully won't look to bad. Edited August 31, 2020 by airnimal 9 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted September 1, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 Once I had assembled all the parts I was surprised that buffers were to high against other wagons and my wagon height jig. I went back and checked all the dimensions on the body and found them correct. The small drawing in Midland wagons gives the rail clearance as 10" at the ends of the wagon and 12" in the middle. When I measured mine it was 10" all along so something was amiss. I had used the correct wheels so the only thing I could think to do was make new W-irons to drop the buffer height down a fraction. I don't know where these etched W-irons came from but I did have another set. So I cut them slightly longer and made new base plates for them. This has brought the buffers more or less in line with my other wagons but has reduced the ground clearance down to 9". I think I can live with that. I still have to black the buffer bodies and paint the new W- irons which I should have done before I started on the numbers / tare weight letters but I wanted to see how it was going to look ! The numberplate is from an old Slaters sheet with the others a mixture of tranfers and hand lettering. I tried painting the numbers in the numberplate but the surface is crinkled after I varnished it so I was unable to add the numbers. I will have to go cap in hand to Chris Brown to see if he is doing anymore etched plates. 19 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Fantastic work! I've only just stumbled across this thread, and am looking forward to going back through and catching up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted September 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 I have lost my mojo of late like a lot of other people probably not helped by the continuing virus. I finally finished this wagon but cannot decide about a load. My friend Peter made me a large casting and I have made a large wheel and shaft from bits in the scrap box. Both would require blocks and chains to secure with the wheel probably needing a cradle as well but do either look suitable for a wagon load ? 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 For me the casting looks better. The wheel would undoubtedly be in a cradle. Top class work 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 The wagon was obviously designed for a load that was out of gauge if on a normal trolley wagon, so I would suggest something high, like the wheel, would be more appropriate - mounted in a timber cradle. Or how about a ship's propeller? Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) The Midland had some wheel wagons - one to D315 and two to D316 - also referred to as pulley wagons. Indeed, the one photo in Midland Wagons of one loaded shows what looks very like the pulley wheel for a mineshaft headgear. There are a couple of photos in Midland Wagons of these D310 18 ton trolleys loaded. One load is a tubular fabrication from the Sheepbridge Co. - corrugated, possibly threaded, on the outside - which looks to be about 12 ft in diameter, so well out of gauge, 17 March 1921: NRM DY 11846, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) licence by the National Railway Museum. The other load is a tender for a NCC locomotive. If one was to model that, one would probably have to build a D309 30 ton trolley together with the locomotive, along with several wagons to carry the wheels, chimney, dome casing, cab, etc.: Derby, 13 July 1914. NRM DY 10248, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) licence by the National Railway Museum. Edited September 10, 2020 by Compound2632 Added photo of out-of-gauge cylinder load. 7 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: There are a couple of photos in Midland Wagons of these D310 18 ton trolleys loaded. One load is a tubular fabrication from the Sheepbridge Co. - corrugated, possibly threaded, on the outside - which looks to be about 12 ft in diameter, so well out of gauge, 17 March 1921: That looks like the winding drum for a colliery pit-head winding engine. the grooves would be spiral to guide the winding rope. Jim 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted September 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 I have made up some timber supports similar to photos in Great Western wagon loads. I still need some angle iron brackets either side of the shaft along with nuts and bolts before painting everything. I have plenty of chains and shackles in stock. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted September 11, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2020 I have put some brackets on along with the angle iron plates that restrict the movement of the wheel. I think the MasterClub bolts really look the part in this application. I still have to make up the hooks on the ends of the other chains and paint the wood parts. I think it was the right move to model the wheel rather than the casting. 10 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Are you going to depict some means of holding the various wooden beams etc., that are supporting the wheel, in place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted September 11, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2020 Malcolm 0-6-0, the answer is yes I have been making a tie down from bits of bullhead rail bolted top and bottom with a brass rod between the two. Once all the chains are on I think that will be sufficient because I don't think this load will be traveling at high speed. 12 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Cheat! That's not 'depicting'! That's really working! Inspirational as ever, absolutely love it 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 That really is a wonderful bit of modelling. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted September 12, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2020 Getting close to finishing this Midland wagon with just a bit rust and grime to do. It has been a long job but I think it has come out alright in the end. 16 12 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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