RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 22, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2019 I have replaced the iron work on the ends because I filed the angles to shallow. I can now start to detail the body after all the messing about trying to get the dimensions of the body right. The corner plates I have made from 10 thou plastic which is to thick. I should try 5 thou but I never seem make a good job using plastic this thin. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 22, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2019 I have started to put the many rivets on the solebars. I even put some on that weren't there and had to remove them and fill the holes with filler. This is not the most entertaining job I have ever done, so much so I have only do one side. The other side can wait untill tomorrow. 4 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 23, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) All the rivets and bolt heads are now on with just the label clips to cut out and put on. I keep looking at the buffer housings and thinking although they look like L&Y they could be Caledonian. I have had these in my parts box for many years and the packing and labels has been lost so I am unsure of the origins. The rib down the side looks to be to long although they are the same shape and style as L&Y. i may change these if I can get some more this weekend at the Leigh show. Edited April 23, 2019 by airnimal To many photos 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 CR buffers were three bolt with a single rib on the outer side, so, yes, these could well be CR ones. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Cally, Highland and LYR all used very similar buffers. We use the same casting for all three in our kits. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 25, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2019 I have had another look at the buffer issue and have come to the conclusion I have used the wrong ones. I went back to my L&Y van and looked at the buffer I used on that and they don't have a rib down the side and I know where these came from. These also have a backing plate on which has distinct shape which the other two don't have. From my parts box I had two packets of buffers one marked CR and one without any labels on. The photo of the buffers has the CR ones on the right and the Unknown one on the left. i also found some v-hangers that were just right. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 hours ago, airnimal said: The photo of the buffers has the CR ones on the right and the Unknown one on the left. i also found some v-hangers that were just right. Consulting Mike Wiliam's book on CR wagons, the CR had a heavy duty self contained type which looks very similar to the left hand one in the photo. The drawing has neither a scale nor dimensions, but assuming the head to be c1'1" in diameter, I estimate the body to be around 9" diam. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 28, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) I did a demo stand at the Leigh show yesterday and managed to get the correct L&Y buffers. When I got them home and had a good look at them I was slightly disappointed with the bolt details on them. I think perhaps the moulds have become worn. So I have removed the mis shaped bolts and drilled the body to accept some plastic bolts from the MasterClub range. The photo was taken before the buffers were modified. Many thanks to all the people who stop by at Leigh to say hello. Edited April 28, 2019 by airnimal Bad spelling 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 That was part of the reason we started to produce our own buffers. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 28, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28, 2019 I have now drilled out and replaced the bolts on these L&Y buffers. I had to drill them first before using a small broach to open the hole to size. The second photo has the old buffers next to new ones. 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 29, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2019 Having got the buffers correct there is just the brakes to make. I couldn't find anything on the market that looks like the L&Y brake shoes. The only thing for it was to scratch build them myself. So I cut out a couple of shoes which have a very distinct shape not seen by me on any other railway. I have made a start to assemble the parts on the wagon which I find is not easy at all. How do the 4mm boys do this I can only guess at. 9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 29, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2019 I found this brakegear not as difficult as expected once I got going. Just a few more bits to do including the safety loops and the brake rack and handle. It will make an unusual wagon with the different brake gear with both brake handles pointing to the same end and the steel under frame. 6 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Where's the 'jealous' button when you need it.... Fabulous stuff as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 7 hours ago, airnimal said: Having got the buffers correct there is just the brakes to make. I couldn't find anything on the market that looks like the L&Y brake shoes. The only thing for it was to scratch build them myself. So I cut out a couple of shoes which have a very distinct shape not seen by me on any other railway. I have made a start to assemble the parts on the wagon which I find is not easy at all. How do the 4mm boys do this I can only guess at. In 4mm scale, it's hideously difficult to assemble brakes where all the parts are articulated. The easier brake parts are those made as one fold-up etch for each wheelbase; also prints. One thing that would help, in both 4mm and 7mm scales I guess, is dummy wheels that are the diameter of the real wheel tread plus clearance. I.e. the blocks can be positioned by pressing them against the dummy wheels while soldering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Guy Rixon said: One thing that would help, in both 4mm and 7mm scales I guess, is dummy wheels that are the diameter of the real wheel tread plus clearance. I.e. the blocks can be positioned by pressing them against the dummy wheels while soldering. Put a narrow strip of masking tape around the tread of a wheelset when assembling the brake gear. After removal of the tape there is running clearance between the tyre and ths adjacent brake block. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2019 45 minutes ago, Western Star said: Put a narrow strip of masking tape around the tread of a wheelset when assembling the brake gear. After removal of the tape there is running clearance between the tyre and ths adjacent brake block. Nice idea - should produce just the right gap. Does it prevent heat-transfer to the wheel rim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Regularity said: Does it prevent heat-transfer to the wheel rim? Prevent? No. Reduce? Probably. When assembling the Exactoscale brake gear onto that manufacturer's metal underframes I progress as:- 1/ brake tumbler on to shaft through V-hanger; 2/ brake block to brake push rod on the bench; 3/ brake block / push rod to tumbler on the wagon; 4/ brake block to brake block hanger with block against tyre using 0.7mm wire through hanger / block / hanger; 5/ solder pin to hanger. Step 5 is soldering a wire pin to a thin / narrow strip of metal so the heat transfer to the brake block is low. regards, Graham Edited April 30, 2019 by Western Star 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted April 30, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2019 Thank you to everyone for all the input, it all helps. I have Just fitted Ambis brake racks with home made brake handles. I am near the end now but I have managed to misplace both the axleboxes and the retaining straps. I put things down or in boxes and can never find them for ages. The joys of old age ! 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 8 hours ago, airnimal said: I am near the end now but I have managed to misplace both the axleboxes and the retaining straps. I put things down or in boxes and can never find them for ages. The joys of old age ! I was torn between 'craftsmanship/clever' and 'Friendly/supportive' but went for the former. Been there done that..... Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Looks very nice each time I see a new wagon from you it makes me think I ought to do some more. One query, are not the brakes the wrong way around? Both levers will release the brakes when pushed down. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 hours ago, N15class said: Looks very nice each time I see a new wagon from you it makes me think I ought to do some more. One query, are not the brakes the wrong way around? Both levers will release the brakes when pushed down. Or the levers face the wrong way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted May 1, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2019 Oh the shame, the shame ! 40 years scratch building wagons and now this. I will go and stand in the corner. I blame it all on be harassed by my 18 month old grandson who is such a live wire he makes my head spin. Still it is better to be so full of life and energy than be sat in front of the television all day. Yes I dropped a big one but at least it is an easy fix. I will go and sit on the naughty step and await my forgiveness. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted May 1, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2019 Well nan has taken our grandson to Pets at Home to see the rabbits so I was able to do a quick fix and now all is well. Ten minutes work and no one will be any wiser. After his afternoon nap it's off to the airport to see the planes. Such is life being a grandad. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 hours ago, airnimal said: Oh the shame, the shame ! 40 years scratch building wagons and now this. I will go and stand in the corner. I blame it all on be harassed by my 18 month old grandson who is such a live wire he makes my head spin. Still it is better to be so full of life and energy than be sat in front of the television all day. Yes I dropped a big one but at least it is an easy fix. I will go and sit on the naughty step and await my forgiveness I know that feeling our adopted son is 3 and bounces off the wall from morning till bedtime. Helps keep you young. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 01/05/2019 at 11:29, airnimal said: Oh the shame, the shame ! 40 years scratch building wagons and now this. I will go and stand in the corner. I blame it all on be harassed by my 18 month old grandson who is such a live wire he makes my head spin. Still it is better to be so full of life and energy than be sat in front of the television all day. Yes I dropped a big one but at least it is an easy fix. I will go and sit on the naughty step and await my forgiveness. I got quite near finished with this J77 before it was pointed out, smokeboxes usually hinge on the other side... Easily fixed though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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