RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 Guy, I think there is enough clearance even with the amount of up and down movement for me not to worry about shorts. I have used this method before and I havn't had any trouble. I have decided to solder up all one side of the brakegear and cut the brake shaft in half because trying to wiggle this in with the tumblers both side was beginning to get a little tricky. I will put a bit of tube over the brake shaft to join them together later. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 Here is a photograph of them seperated. This will make them so much easier to spray paint them. One of my pet hates is trying to paint in tiny crevices and behind wheels. 14 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 I am pleased that this method has worked well and I have a free running underframe that all comes apart for easy painting. I am going to make a bracket that also will be mounted on one of the W-irons to support the crank arm from the brake standard. I think this is a job for tomorrow because we have had 2 of our young grandsons here today. They are 18 months and 3 years old with enough energy to run rings around me and my wife, they never stop. Both mum and dad are teachers so we have them every Wednesday as they are in our bubble. 6 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dave Hunt Posted February 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2021 A thin smear of Araldite on a piece of lightweight model aircraft tissue stuck onto the inside face of the outside frames on my Johnson 2-4-0 solved a shorting problem. Dave 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Dave Hunt said: A thin smear of Araldite on a piece of lightweight model aircraft tissue stuck onto the inside face of the outside frames on my Johnson 2-4-0 solved a shorting problem. For insulation I use tissue put in place then flooded with cyano. Excess can be cut away once the cyano has solidified. Jim 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2021 I have started on the brake handle and linkages. The handle is a length of .95mm brass tube with a 14 BA screw soldered in. The part that it screws into was made from 1.5mm square brass bar. I drilled and tapped it 14 BA before cutting a small section with a piecing saw. 6 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2021 The sidetfames have been made and soldered to the brake shaft. Onwards to the L shaped operating bottom brackets before I make the handle and mounting plates. 9 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 The bracket holding the brake shaft to the body has been made from a bit of tube and nickel strip. I cut the tube to size after soldering it to the strip and drilling for the Masterclub bolts. 9 1 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 Still to make yet is the L shaped brackets underneath but I done the moving T handle. I am not going to solder this in so that I can move it to any position. 8 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam88 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 These models remind me of Norman Dale's EM models which had working hand brakes. At the Manchester show he used to park them on a short length of sloping track to show they really worked. To be fair, I think he only made a few just to prove that it could be done and thereafter sense prevailed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I was also secretly hoping the handbrake would work! But the important thing is that it looks like it does. And it looks absolutely wonderful. When are we going to be able to buy little DCC humans that can wind on the brakes? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: I was also secretly hoping the handbrake would work! But the important thing is that it looks like it does. And it looks absolutely wonderful. When are we going to be able to buy little DCC humans that can wind on the brakes? A small motor could be activated via a small DCC decoder to wind the brakes on and off, and a figure could be mounted with suitable joints to appear to be doing the winding, but without some complex farting about with servos, etc, the figure would have to remain attached to the handle. Not a problem if the brake handle is inside the van, though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 Adam88, I remember Norman's Dale models at the Manchester exhibition, I have been to everyone for 60 years. I am sorry that there will not be any working brakes or moving brakesman. Even if I could I'm quite happy with what I've made. The L conecting brackets have finally been made. I soldered 2 pieces of nickel together and drilled the holes before cutting them out with a piecing saw. I have to work out if these brackets go inside of the handle frames or outside. The 4 drawings in the wagon book have 2 of each so which is the right way ? 15 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post airnimal Posted February 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2021 I have had to make a new pair of L shaped brackets because the first pair were not long enough. I finally finished all the brakegear and connecting pull rod. So it's back to making the lamp irons and completing the rest of the body details. 15 14 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Thats a cracking model Mike 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbr Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Mike, As ever an excellent model of an interesting prototype Chris 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 Nothing much happened today but I have turned up a chimney. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 The handbrake column and linkage is particularly lovely. Were the handles on the winding gear kept polished, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2021 I have cut the windows out of a CD case just to see how they will look. Close up work always looks worst than it is in real life. I am sure real glass would be better but everytime I try and cut microscope slides I nearly always end up breaking them. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Are you using microscope slides or cover-slips (the very thin small squares)? I find that cover-slips can be scored (as long as they are on a hard surface) and then snapped along the score line. Yes, there is a failure rate but it’s less than 50% and I have a big box of them. I could try doing a few for the size you need, if you like? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbr Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Mike, Get a tungsten carbide scriber (I have this one) and it's really easy to cut cover slips accurately with little waste Chris 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 7, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2021 Mol_PBM, Chrisbr, thank you both for the input and kind offers. I have found my cover slips and remembered I already had a tungsten scriber leftover from my last workplace. I had just done one as a quick experiment and I think it is going to be successful. What I shall do is cut all the glass panels out of CD covers and use them as templates to use when I finally get around to painting the van. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 7, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2021 Needing 6 lamp brackets all the same I thought that making them individually was a recipe for disaster and inconsistency. So I soldered the T shaped section of brass to the L section of brass after trimming the L section to the size I wanted. After cleaning I cut the first one off and I will have enough left to do many more wagons or brake van's. 8 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted February 7, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2021 I think the principle is sound for the lamp brackets but part of the material is to heavy. I am not happy with the L section so I am going to make another stab at it but using some 10 thou nickel. I have scored a line on to a small piece of 10 thou with my Olfa cutter and folded it into an L section. Then I have soldered it to a small length of milled brass T section. I can cut the nickel piece to the longest bracket I require and shorten the smaller lengths as required. The ones already made will go in scrap box. 6 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted February 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2021 I love this thread, You make something which is top quality and I think "I'll pinch that idea" ...then a couple of hours later you come back with "I wasn't happy so I've made an even better version of it and the first one's are in the scrap bin" ... I turned my soldering iron on the other day and was about to solder something when I could have sworn I heard it say "sure you don't need to check the S7 thread to see if you can make it better".. 9 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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