Supaned Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 also worth bearing in mind is that even if traincrew traction knowledge was limited , it was fairly common practice to roster a loco on a job where the crew would continue past the usual relieving point with a conductor driver and then be able to claim mileage allowance and overtime. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted June 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Not much use I know, but I remember seeing a class 44 at Crewe on my way up north, in early 1980. Haven't got my book to hand, so I can't remember which, and as for the date-one of several possibilities is Rocket 150, which would have been 26th May, or one of several trips to Lancashire to visit relatives. Not much help, I know, but they did get to Crewe. cheers N Edited June 19, 2017 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 64B Posted June 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2017 I was in Peterborough on the 24th August 1973 when D9 passed through with a train of mineral wagons from the north. Sorry about the poor quality film. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 One place where Class 44s weren't all that common was Derby itself. Occasionally one would crop up on a Toton - Derby St Mary's working in their latter days, but other than a visit to the Loco Works, Derby station was something of a Class 44 desert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 19, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2017 I was in Peterborough on the 24th August 1973 when D9 passed through with a train of mineral wagons from the north. Sorry about the poor quality film. Pedant head on. That's 9, not D9! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I came from Leicester so the 'under tenners' as we called them in pre-TOPS days were common. However a few years later around 1978-9 I was at Speke Junction, Liverpool and one came along into the yard from the Crewe direction. There were no local spotters there but I suspect they would have gone wild! I am 95% sure my memory is correct in saying it was working a double deck car train (or empties), would the braking system have allowed this? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted June 19, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2017 I came from Leicester so the 'under tenners' as we called them in pre-TOPS days were common. However a few years later around 1978-9 I was at Speke Junction, Liverpool and one came along into the yard from the Crewe direction. There were no local spotters there but I suspect they would have gone wild! I am 95% sure my memory is correct in saying it was working a double deck car train (or empties), would the braking system have allowed this? Tony I don't think 44's were air-braked. They were much used on unfitted freights, which they were ideal for, because of the large locomotive weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Why did the class 44's end up being numbered D1 - D10 when other classes of loco were built before them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I think it was because they wanted the express locos to have the lowest numbers, and allocated blocks to power types. Why shunters started at D2000 I don't know, but no one had envisaged a type 5, which is why Deltics had to go at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Mentioned numerous times earlier in the thread, but here's my contribution of 44 008 at Chester in Jan '78. One at Chester General, and the other heading out under the city walls. Apologies for the quality, but the light was going, and the Instamatic couldn't cope very well... Hmmm - no Class 24 in this shot? Edited June 27, 2022 by billy_anorak59 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I think it was because they wanted the express locos to have the lowest numbers, and allocated blocks to power types. Why shunters started at D2000 I don't know, but no one had envisaged a type 5, which is why Deltics had to go at the back. The Deltics were originally supposed to be numbered in the D1000 series but for some reason these were allocated to the Westerns instead. The Hymeks ended with D7100, had the planned extra batches been built they'd have gone up to D7400. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Few 44 photos here on my Flikr album taken on a BTEG (British transport Enthusiasts Group) North Midlands shed bash on 19 May 1968 Perhaps someone knows their locations (memory & notes long gone !!!!!). https://www.flickr.com/photos/136789710@N03/albums/72157677041435873 Brit15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2017 Few 44 photos here on my Flikr album taken on a BTEG (British transport Enthusiasts Group) North Midlands shed bash on 19 May 1968 Perhaps someone knows their locations (memory & notes long gone !!!!!). https://www.flickr.com/photos/136789710@N03/albums/72157677041435873 Brit15 Apart from the BRCW 2, which I think may be Coalville,I would hazard a guess that the rest are all at Toton. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2017 Some of the 20s at Westhouses perhaps - including the Jinty? https://www.flickr.com/photos/tibshelf/5711121146 Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 What a great set of photos. Surely some are at Leicester as well as Derby Works. I love the back-to-front double arrow transfer on D8048. D4110 and D4111 (both class 09s), presumably in Derby Works, were allocated to Crewe Diesel Depot (5A), before heading to the Southern Region a year or so later. Looks like an unlined green CK in 2013-01-10-17-23-29. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The only notes I have of the day out are in my trip logbook. BTEG North Midlands coach tour, Pick up at Wigan 09.00 & drop off Wigan 21.00, Cost £1 !!! Sheds visited 5D Cockshute Derby Works 16C Derby shed Coalville 16A Toton 16E Kirby in Ashfield 16G Westhouses 16B Colwick A couple of shots are at Manchester Vic / Leds which were from a trip there a bit later in June. Heck - it's just over 49 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brit15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted April 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Hadn't thought of looking here, some nice late 1970s info on class 44 wandering from the wonderful Derby sulzers site. I don't think this has been mentioned in this thread. https://www.derbysulzers.com/class44.html 44001 November 1974 worked to STJ, still looking for an elusive photo of one there, but maybe more wanderings onto the WR will emerge. Always a favourite site of mine, I guess it's been updated since I first looked. Whoever is responsible for the Derby sulzers site warrants a medal. Edited April 6, 2020 by Downendian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Downendian said: Hadn't thought of looking here, some nice late 1970s info on class 44 wandering from the wonderful Derby sulzers site. I don't think this has been mentioned in this thread. https://www.derbysulzers.com/class44.html 44001 November 1974 worked to STJ, still looking for an elusive photo of one there, but maybe more wanderings onto the WR will emerge. Always a favourite site of mine, I guess it's been updated since I first looked. Whoever is responsible for the Derby sulzers site warrants a medal. Welcome back Neil - you cant go fishing so its railway modelling for you!!!!! The Toton - Westbury coal was another favourite I think - only problem with disc headcode locos is you cant glean any gen from the headcode.... Stay safe - and sane Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railswood Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Just found this thread while hunting for information and pictures of the 44's, sorry if it's a bit of a late post. It's probably more a 'regular duty' than wandering but I grew up in Pelsall next to the South Staffs line (Walsall to Wychnor) which our fields ran alongside for some distance either side of Bridge No. 65. I used to take notice of the frequent workings through the 1970s till they ripped up the line in the mid 80's, and my childhood favourites were the 44's because they were the only ones with names I ever saw. They were regular passers-by, dragging long goods trains behind them. The engine classes I remember seeing were : 08, 20, 25, 31, 37, 40 (rare), 44, 45, 47. In earlier years any peak was usually a 44, but they gradually faded away. From what I have read since they must have been running in from Toton I suppose. I marked off all except one 44 on the line over the years, and eventually spotted that last one at Birmingham New Street of all places, I think that was D8 Penyghent if memory serves. For some reason Snowdon and Skiddaw were my 'favourites', no idea why ! No dates or pictures sadly, just memories of hazy days at the railway bank, long rattling goods trains and being happy to complete one class in my spotter book ! Edited September 17, 2022 by Railswood grammar 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 The first if them to go was Skiddaw early 1976, they were already celebrities, I was living in Pye Bridge near Alfreton, for the Summer of 76, every evening a 44 would run through Pye Bridge heading north on freight, enthusiasts would gather just to to see a 44 working 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Extract from a local 'guard's journal' . "..... 2nd. February, 1966 - D1 ‘Scafell Pike’ 11:50 UID train Gloucester to Cardiff Pengam Sidings, tucked inside D6820. Both then l/E to Canton......" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 19, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2022 Depending on when D1 lost its Blue-Star equipment, the locos may have worked in multiple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 5 hours ago, keefer said: Depending on when D1 lost its Blue-Star equipment, the locos may have worked in multiple. Most Peaks of all variations had lost their MU equipment by then, indeed AE Robson the LMR CME was looking to remove it when they were still under construction. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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