Gt.Shefford Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 At the Spalding show last weekend I spoke with one of the Bachmann reps, and he said that they are intending to have CAD renderings of the 158 on display at Warley. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 At the Spalding show last weekend I spoke with one of the Bachmann reps, and he said that they are intending to have CAD renderings of the 158 on display at Warley. Jonathan Yes but which Warley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) At the speed that Bachmann have done the required work to upgrade/redesign the 158, by the time it comes out it will time to withdraw the real units. We may even be able to start the 158 preservation society by launching the new model (tongue in cheek). In the words of a member of staff from the sadly missed Wakefield Model & Craft Shop "it will be here for Christmas, but which one?" Edited November 14, 2017 by tamperman36 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gt.Shefford Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Yes but which Warley? Should have followed up with that line, but I doubt he would have seen the funny side. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 At the Spalding show last weekend I spoke with one of the Bachmann reps, and he said that they are intending to have CAD renderings of the 158 on display at Warley. Jonathan CAD renderings? So it's *still* in the design studio then, a year or so since they last updated us that ... it was in the design studio. I'm beginning to think their design studio is more like a medieval scriptorium, serried rows of elderly monks taking a week to inscribe a single (albeit perfect) letter... Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I’m pretty sure if any of the other companies had a crystal ball and could see that nearly 6 years later we were still in the design studio, then they could have successfully designed developed and brought to market, with several years to spare, there own versions of the class 158.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluo66 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I’m pretty sure if any of the other companies had a crystal ball and could see that nearly 6 years later we were still in the design studio, then they could have successfully designed developed and brought to market, with several years to spare, there own versions of the class 158.... It's not too late for that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 It's not too late for that... Considering the amount of livery options that could be done the market could support more than one offering, I am also concerned that by the time it takes Bachy to release differing versions it will be many years before a reasonable number of livery releases are brought to market. A further concern for me is with their Class 150\2 they only tooled later modified versions only with the blanked off centre door. Equally with the Class 150\1 they never tooled the original lower valance that the units were built with. Hopefully such mistakes will not repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Could do with some 170s too. The dead hand of Bachmann is an issue with this model as well Edited November 14, 2017 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2017 You think you have got it bad, have you seen the abhorrent misshapen lump that us N gaugers have to put up with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoey Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 You never know, Bachmann may surprise us with a number of liveries. Maybe a livery that runs in each region! Like a FGW local lines one (hint hint ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Considering the amount of livery options that could be done the market could support more than one offering, I am also concerned that by the time it takes Bachy to release differing versions it will be many years before a reasonable number of livery releases are brought to market. A further concern for me is with their Class 150\2 they only tooled later modified versions only with the blanked off centre door. Equally with the Class 150\1 they never tooled the original lower valance that the units were built with. Hopefully such mistakes will not repeat. Sorry to continue OT; But Bachmann are really taking their time with the re-liveries of the 150s in ATW and GWR. Can it really take that long to design/create the templates for printing?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 it might be scheduling in a production slot more than anything else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) I suspect Kader’s priorities for what it manufactures at its plant(s) may have something to do with the sub-snail’s pace af Bachmann’s release schedule. I recall comments on threads on other manufacturers’ products (which had sold out, e.g, Peckett) about the difficulties of getting production slots when you don’t have your own manufacturing capability. Looks like the latter is not all it is cracked up to be judging by the speed from announcement to arrival of non-Bachmann new items. Darius Edited November 17, 2017 by Darius43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I suspect Kader’s priorities for what it manufactures at its plant(s) may have something to do with the sub-snail’s pace af Bachmann’s release schedule. I recall comments on threads on other manufacturers’ products (which had sold out, e.g, Peckett) about the difficulties of getting production slots when you don’t have your own manufacturing capability. Looks like the latter is not all it is cracked up to be judging by the speed from announcement to arrival of non-Bachmann new items. Darius Bachmann probably also dont want everything from the 2017/2018 catalogue coming out all at once either too though, customers have to have the free cash to buy after all, so they will intentionally spread some of the releases through the year ... even reliveries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 We all want the model to be a big success and for this Bachy need to plan the tooling so that the unit covers the type as built and of course in its later years. There have been a number of changes over the years to the units and I hope this is planned. Unless the model is tooled to cover all revisions to the type and additionally is conducted to a similar standard to that pioneered by Realtrack I feel another manufactuer might also have a go? Time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 it might be scheduling in a production slot more than anything else This is what Bachmann need to address, while the parent Kader Group will have its own wider production strategy Bachmann Europe has been suffering with capacity for many years. There is a commercial battle for them to solve internally so that a business case to show demand can be produced that would justify new production capacity extensions as appropriate. They should not announce any new tooling until the significant backlog is addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilf Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Bachmann to busy with kernow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2017 Bachmann probably also dont want everything from the 2017/2018 catalogue coming out all at once either too though, customers have to have the free cash to buy after all, so they will intentionally spread some of the releases through the year ... even reliveries They probably don't want everything from the 2012/2013 catalogue coming out all at once either.................. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
58050 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Remember the halcyon days when we had to wait 12-18 months for Bachmann to release an announced item? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Interesting! Any chance of a scan of the page? I think there is quite the relevance to share here with many of us who have waited patiently to see (or not...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Interesting! Any chance of a scan of the page? I think there is quite the relevance to share here with many of us who have waited patiently to see (or not...) Although there's an image in Bachmann Times it was not at DEMU this weekend as it was assembled from the first components from the tool (these are sent so individual parts can be assessed) as opposed to a factory-assembled EP sample and may not have had all of its finer detail parts fixed. There's a fair chance we'll see something when we have an update meeting a little later in the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5, 2018 I’m rather looking forward to seeing just how it looks relative to the existing model to help weigh up the decision between buying (and detailing) a Regional Railways body to use on an existing chassis I have in storage or buying the new one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 The picture does not give that much away just a single shot from one angle. It overall captures the units well, the bogies looked much better to my eyes than the model that dates from the mid 90's. Also lots of detail around the exhaust that looked nice. Going to be a while yet before people get their hands on one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoey Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Wonder if the motor will be hidden underneath the chassis to reveal complete open passenger compartments just as Realtrack models have done with their DMU’s or whether the 158’s will follow the same layout as their own 150 units with the motor taking up 1/3 of the passenger seating area? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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