Bachmann Class 158 Status

[adb968008]

On 01/08/2020 at 20:22, TomScrut said:

 

So you're saying it should only be about £200?

I’m saying I was disappointed with it, I didn't feel the same quality holding it, as I do say against Bulleid Suburbans or even the mk2e’s.
 

I still bought it, I have a 395 too (only paid £50 for it), so what its worth and what I pay are different things, its the only game in town for a Japanese high speed, unless you want a Kato Hayabusa... thats £600 if I want a 6 car set and i’m umming and arring about it in my ebay watch list for some time...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KATO-HO-Scale-Gauge-E5-Series-Shinkansen-Hayabusa-Basic-4-Car-Set-3-516-JP-F-S/383309792004?hash=item593f0b4304:g:XSgAAOSwRg9d7nam

 

 

i’m not going to get one of these for £200 I don't think, so if I want it, I need to pony up, but doesnt mean i’ll be happy with the product.

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by adb968008

[The Black Hat]

On 01/08/2020 at 13:06, charliepetty said:

Thats not too certain!!  Protecting their product range is more the answer

IE:

DJM Class 71  -  Hornby 71

Rails Terrier   -  Hornby Terrier

Hattons 66     -  Hornby (Lima) 66

Accurascale 92  -  Hornby 92

DJM APT        -   Hornby APT

Calvalex 91   -   Hornby 91

Realtrack 156  -  Hornby (Lima) 156

and probably more in the future.  Shame really as Lima Products are not really 'Value for money' any more.

 

Charlie

Yes but Hornby have won a fair few rounds between those clashes above. The DJM ship was sunk without trace and Calvalex dropped their class 91 giving Hornby free run on that. The Class 66 is at the other end of the scale to Hattons engine, so Bachmann will be feeling the squeese. Hornby might suffer if they profit take and raise prices on them considerably, but for the cost and adding TTS theirs sold very quickly. 

So, if thats the case is Realtrack able to produce a Northern liveried unit, either being the White and Blue or the previous Blue and purple livery? The Rainbow resprays are brilliant - and Im tempted with the Northern spirit one too.  

[adb968008]

33 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

So, if thats the case is Realtrack able to produce a Northern liveried unit, either being the White and Blue or the previous Blue and purple livery? The Rainbow resprays are brilliant - and Im tempted with the Northern spirit one too.  

I’m thinking the same, I will ask if Rainbow could do a Northern or Scotrail 158, and at what price.

Bachmanns hasnt announced it, and their published delivery schedules goes out through 2021, so assuming they did announce it next year, there still could be a long wait.

Edited September 2, 2020 by adb968008

[The Black Hat]

2 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

I’m thinking the same, I will ask if Rainbow could do a Northern or Scotrail 158, and at what price.

Bachmanns hasnt announced it, and their published delivery schedules goes out through 2021, so assuming they did announce it next year, there still could be a long wait.

 

Northern Purple and Blue would be the version Id be most interested in for the 158. I think they have done this for the 156, which Charlie / Realtrack has managed to sell to Rainbow to do, but getting 158s for a similar process could be tricky. Would this see Rainbow as a competitor to Bachmann if they resprayed returned stock that's repaired to then sell on, as it might later compromise a future Bachmann release? 

[adb968008]

1 hour ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Northern Purple and Blue would be the version Id be most interested in for the 158. I think they have done this for the 156, which Charlie / Realtrack has managed to sell to Rainbow to do, but getting 158s for a similar process could be tricky. Would this see Rainbow as a competitor to Bachmann if they resprayed returned stock that's repaired to then sell on, as it might later compromise a future Bachmann release? 

Who said anything about returned stock ?

Besides Rainbow sell all manner of Bachmann resprays... 37’s,47’s,57’s.

 

Why would Bachmann care about someone respraying one of their models.. ebays full of resprays, theres a whole industry of resprays, for decades... once its sold, its been sold. Though there might be more sense in Bachmann selling returned stock to a respray specialist, than the returns table at Warley (though I suspect much of that is resprayed later anyway).
 

Half my collection ive tinkered with, better hide it incase the manufacturers Queue up at my door to have a word with me for doing some unapproved modelling. - I hope no one spots my secret modification..

Edited September 2, 2020 by adb968008

[MRDBLUE17]

Hi everyone,

 

If you are wanting one of the fantastic Realtrack 156 models reliveried by Rainbow Railways the ones currently listed on their website are the last currently available for the time being. The very last 2 in Anglia livery will be finished soon.

 

Theres one less as I’ve finally added a Northern purple one to my fleet.

 

Cheers

Mark

[Not Captain Kernow]

4 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Bachmanns hasnt announced it, and their published delivery schedules goes out through 2021, so assuming they did announce it next year, there still could be a long wait.

 

That is not the way Bachmann work now though.  They will only announce things which are due in the next 3 months.  So it could be announced in November for example, and be here by February or sooner.  

[TomScrut]

22 minutes ago, Not Captain Kernow said:

 

That is not the way Bachmann work now though.  They will only announce things which are due in the next 3 months.  So it could be announced in November for example, and be here by February or sooner.  

 

I think you're right that it could be in the next announcement and then here 3 months after that, on the other hand the stuff that is currently "ongoing" could limit its chances of being announced.

[TomScrut]

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Why would Bachmann care about someone respraying one of their models

 

It's an interesting question I think but I think its fairly narrow minded if they were trying to stop or limit it.

1. A respray is still a sale, whether it is from batch A or batch B (that might never happen)
2. In discussions I have had on here about "why don't they make X" a lot of the counter arguments are to do with stuff sitting on shelves (once bitten twice shy type stuff). Resprays help get stuff off shelves onto layouts.
3. A lot of people who have resprays often buy the factory one when it comes out. Cemex Express and As One We Can spring to mind with the Hattons 66 and Bachmann resprays, quite a few have appeared on eBay over the course of the second lot of Hattons 66 being announced and delivered. Some of that could be to do with the Hattons vs Bachmann but I think a lot is to do with the factory finish too. Interestingly there was a Cemex one at £240 the other week, I would call that a bit ambitious myself!

Weirdly enough I bought the Hornby 67 EWS freight pack at a good discount and I decided I was going to sell the loco (my main interest was the wagons), and wasn't sure how easy it would sell with the packs available with big discounts I looked into getting it resprayed into TFW livery, and it would have about worked out had I struggled to sell as was. That would be me making no money (I just wanted my money out of the loco) but that has a dealer margin (probably small because of the discount) and whatever margin/pay was in the respray some people would have made something from the exercise. I'd have thought actually that those packs would be a good target for breaking up by dealers who do resprays, 3 Coalfishes with unique numbers and also a 67 that could go into a livery not done by H such as TFW and given the discount on them the pricing must be good for dealers.

[adb968008]

I have a respray wishlist, given time, priority and circumstance... though my choices I am 100% no manufacturer would ever do..

Foster Yeoman Western

Engineers Grey or Dutch Class 40

NSE Western

Reg Rly Class 25
RES class 50

 

and many would wisely try to stop me ...  I did once do an N2 in Regional Railways, but someone nicked it. Ive done a Std 4 in Railfreight coal, Technical Services J72 and a BR Blue Jinty... I had an interesting childhood.

Edited September 2, 2020 by adb968008

[steve1023]

Std 4 in Railfreight coal - that is something I would like to see. Presumably there was no issue with levels in the tender either. 

[adb968008]

15 hours ago, steve1023 said:

Std 4 in Railfreight coal - that is something I would like to see. Presumably there was no issue with levels in the tender either. 

It had two tone grey, with boiler dark grey, frames light grey, with the split along the tender side. I put RFt Distribution logo on one side Rft Coal on the other of the tender,Orange cantrail over the cab, diamond on the cab and headlights on the front under the smoke box, and on the tender, yellow ends (except the smokebox).

 

it lasted nearly 25 years, until about 2018, but now its a pile of spares, I painted the body / tender plain black and sold them as it was quite scratched at that point. The depot plaques where shawplan and live on, on a renumbered Bachmann 47346, which is now 47540, sitting on an eth 47 chassis / battery boxes.  The Tech Service J72 went on ebay (as 98223) in 2017, the Regional Railways N2 was on loan to a shop on display in its window, but someone nicked it, way back in 1993.

 

Still have the BR Blue jinty though, 47324 with double arrows... its with an Intercity liveried class 56/8 and a recently acquired (But yet to be renumbered class 49 49060 - Lion in BR Blue)...  it seems my mid-life crisis is as interesting as my childhood.

Edited September 3, 2020 by adb968008

[The Black Hat]

I see Rainbow resprays have done the Northern Blue and White version... is Midnight blue due to follow? Tis costly mind... 

[Oldddudders]

An NSE 159 arrived in my mailbox the other day. Still awaiting a Plux 22 decoder before unboxing it. I have always enjoyed the Waterloo-Exeter route, right back to Atlantic Coast Express days. Of course an 80x from Padlington gets you there sooner, but the SWR service is more relaxing. And I recall colleagues at NSE HQ anxiously awaiting progress with the units 30 years ago, while a surly civil engineer was busy managing the construction of the depot at Salisbury. Why would I not want one of these? 

[Not Captain Kernow]

On 06/10/2020 at 19:17, Oldddudders said:

An NSE 159 arrived in my mailbox the other day. Still awaiting a Plux 22 decoder before unboxing it. I have always enjoyed the Waterloo-Exeter route, right back to Atlantic Coast Express days. Of course an 80x from Padlington gets you there sooner, but the SWR service is more relaxing. And I recall colleagues at NSE HQ anxiously awaiting progress with the units 30 years ago, while a surly civil engineer was busy managing the construction of the depot at Salisbury. Why would I not want one of these? 

I was also involved in the commissioning of these units.  As part of this I had to time mileage accumulation and driver training trips.  This involved three round trips from Salisbury to Waterloo, commencing after the morning peak.  The fourth and final trip of the day was Salisbury to Basingstoke and return, because it would otherwise arrive at Waterloo slap bang in the middle of the peak with no platform or return path available.
 

On the first day that this commenced the first three trips went well, then the fourth trip reached Basingstoke but instead of reversing carried on up the fast.  Basingstoke Panel didn't think to tell anyone this, so the unit carried on through Woking (who also observed it running like a stag up the fast but again ignored it), Surbiton who also left it run, before it appeared on the Waterloo panel who had nowhere to put it!  The result was it ended up stuck in a platform at Waterloo in the middle of the peak and totally blew the service for the rest of the evening, which gave the Evening Standard the chance to drag out their "Chaos at Waterloo" headline once again!
 

I also have one of these Bachmann units for no other reason than to remind me of my time working with these.

[Oldddudders]

3 minutes ago, Not Captain Kernow said:

I was also involved in the commissioning of these units. 

Oh, Chris how wonderful! It's the signalmen's belief that "as they come, so they go" that I love! Shades of my story about the day the Up Brighton Belle went via Crystal Palace (but don't tell Control!). 

[andyman7]

48 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

Oh, Chris how wonderful! It's the signalmen's belief that "as they come, so they go" that I love! Shades of my story about the day the Up Brighton Belle went via Crystal Palace (but don't tell Control!). 

Once it's out of section it's someone else's problem........

[adb968008]

2 hours ago, Not Captain Kernow said:

I was also involved in the commissioning of these units.  As part of this I had to time mileage accumulation and driver training trips.  This involved three round trips from Salisbury to Waterloo, commencing after the morning peak.  The fourth and final trip of the day was Salisbury to Basingstoke and return, because it would otherwise arrive at Waterloo slap bang in the middle of the peak with no platform or return path available.
 

On the first day that this commenced the first three trips went well, then the fourth trip reached Basingstoke but instead of reversing carried on up the fast.  Basingstoke Panel didn't think to tell anyone this, so the unit carried on through Woking (who also observed it running like a stag up the fast but again ignored it), Surbiton who also left it run, before it appeared on the Waterloo panel who had nowhere to put it!  The result was it ended up stuck in a platform at Waterloo in the middle of the peak and totally blew the service for the rest of the evening, which gave the Evening Standard the chance to drag out their "Chaos at Waterloo" headline once again!
 

I also have one of these Bachmann units for no other reason than to remind me of my time working with these.

On a similar note, a few weeks ago a Network Rail test train one morning was booked to reverse at Wimbledon depot sidings, with 37025 top and tailing 37175.  Instead of arriving on the slow from Woking, it came up on the fast, with greens right through the station plat 6.

The driver spotted this, stopped outside the station, reported it in. A few minutes later the signal was canceled, given the route to plat 5. Whilst this only took around 5 minutes, the ensuing mistake saw more than half dozen trains stacked up on the UF and US.

Edited October 8, 2020 by adb968008

[Oldddudders]

On 08/10/2020 at 20:43, andyman7 said:

Once it's out of section it's someone else's problem........

Let's see. TCB Purley to South Croydon, South Croydon to East Croydon, East Croydon to Gloucester Road, Gloucester Road to Norwood Junction, and AB to Crystal Palace A. Where it was mis-described I know not, but Dave Cox at Palace A was probably not popular for telling Control! 

[charliepetty]

On 06/10/2020 at 14:43, The Black Hat said:

I see Rainbow resprays have done the Northern Blue and White version... is Midnight blue due to follow? Tis costly mind... 

No Realtrack are doing them.

[The Black Hat]

30 minutes ago, charliepetty said:

No Realtrack are doing them.

 

Your doing Midnight blue in Northern class 158?

[adb968008]

1 hour ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Your doing Midnight blue in Northern class 158?

I think he's talking about 156’s.

if you act fast enough you can convince him to do Lancaster -Morecambe as destinations ;-)

 

 

[charliepetty]

2 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Your doing Midnight blue in Northern class 158?

OH Cocked that up!!   I meant a Class 156.   Sorry.

[The Black Hat]

11 hours ago, adb968008 said:

I think he's talking about 156’s.

if you act fast enough you can convince him to do Lancaster -Morecambe as destinations ;-)

 

 

 

Boro - Newcastle or Saltburn either end would be great for me, but thats for Charlies 156. Meanwhile Bachmann need to do the Midnight blue Northern 158, as it fits with other stock available. 

Why do I get the feeling they will do the Central and Scotrail ones in that batch too... 

Edited October 29, 2020 by The Black Hat

[Railfreight1998]

4 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

Why do I get the feeling they will do the Central and Scotrail ones in that batch too...

Scotrail 158s will need a new plough/obstacle deflector to be tooled.