RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) I am wondering if any fans of GW /WR could help me identify the Collett coach shown in the attached photo? The photo was taken at Lambourn station in the 1950s. I suspect it is a Diagram E140 or perhaps a D109 but l can not tell if it is a composite brake or an all third brake, can anyone please help? Fingers crossed Bob C Edited July 29, 2017 by Blobrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) I don't think it's an E140, which were always in 'B-set' pairs. Lambourne was fond of running single brake composites, so it may be one of the E145 (sorry, I meant) E147 'singles'. It could be the same as http://lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/lambourn/1950s/File0492a.jpg Edited July 29, 2017 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 I don't think it's an E140, which were always in 'B-set' pairs. Lambourne was fond of running single brake composites, so it may be one of the E145 'singles'. It could be the same as http://lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/lambourn/1950s/File0492a.jpg Thank you Miss Prism, that's interesting as l d not considered the E145. At least you ve answered one quest as to whether the single coaches were all thirds or composites, so l just need to find a photo of an E140 on the branch now! Many thanks for you assistance Bob C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It could be an ordinary Brk 3rd, used as a strengthener. I don't think Lambourne ever ran B-sets per se. I get the impression non-corridor coaches were rare on the branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froxfield2012 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 This may be a clearer image? Dated to 1957. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 This may be a clearer image? Dated to 1957. Lambourn station 1957_rmweb.jpg Thank you for posting this photo, is this an example of an E145 that Miss Prism mentioned?. The window corners look round to my eyes, making me think its a BR Suburban coach, but the end fittings and bogies suggest GW origins? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's a BR suburban foreigner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's a BR suburban foreigner. Thank you Miss Prism, at least my eyes are not failing me quite yet. Just thinking about your comment re Non corridor coaches, from what l ve found so far it the corridor stock that seems to be far less common on the branch? I think l ve only found one Collett brake (Sunshine stock) so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I think this is nicer: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2011/post-7638-0-00413300-1312373707.jpg I'll get me coat! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 I think this is nicer: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2011/post-7638-0-00413300-1312373707.jpg I'll get me coat! No need to get your coat, l rather like the Hawksworth stock, but l ve not found one on the Lambourn branch yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I don't think it's an E140, which were always in 'B-set' pairs. Lambourne was fond of running single brake composites, so it may be one of the E145 'singles'. It could be the same as http://lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/lambourn/1950s/File0492a.jpg The first pic is too pixellated to be clear but the recessed guard's door is visible. The coach in the second pic does not have a recessed guard's door and is therefore not the same. You may have been thinking of E147, some of which were able to run singly. I do not think that E145s were thus equipped. By the mid 50s the sets in which D109 brake thirds ran had been broken up and dispersed. My money is on the coach in the pixellated pic being one of those. Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 You may have been thinking of E147, some of which were able to run singly. I do not think that E145s were thus equipped. Yes, sorry. My typo, should have said E147. (above post duly amended) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 The first pic is too pixellated to be clear but the recessed guard's door is visible. The coach in the second pic does not have a recessed guard's door and is therefore not the same. You may have been thinking of E147, some of which were able to run singly. I do not think that E145s were thus equipped. By the mid 50s the sets in which D109 brake thirds ran had been broken up and dispersed. My money is on the coach in the pixellated pic being one of those. Chris Many thanks Chris, I was wondering if it could have been a D109. I wonder if Lionheart/Dapol will release their D109 as single coaches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 No need to get your coat, l rather like the Hawksworth stock, but l ve not found one on the Lambourn branch yet! http://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/bockhamptoncrossing/bc-04.jpg (I think...) btw, here's that foreign interloper again: http://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/greatshefford/Gt-Shefford.jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 29, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 http://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/bockhamptoncrossing/bc-04.jpg (I think...) btw, here's that foreign interloper again: http://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/greatshefford/Gt-Shefford.jpg Very interesting Miss Prism, thank you for posting these two. Yes the 1st photo does look like a Hawksworth abet in maroon. its very interesting the range of coaching stock which ran on the branch in its last 6 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's hard with the pixelation, but I reckon I can discern the end windows of a Hawksworth flat ended non-gangwayed coach. and suspect that the 'recessed door' is in fact an open one. Not nailing my colours to the mast on this, just saying what it looks a bit like to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 30, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2017 It's hard with the pixelation, but I reckon I can discern the end windows of a Hawksworth flat ended non-gangwayed coach. and suspect that the 'recessed door' is in fact an open one. Not nailing my colours to the mast on this, just saying what it looks a bit like to me... Thanks Johnster, that's an other coach l could add to my stock list then!! Bob C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2017 Always happy to help... Comet kits, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Always happy to help... Comet kits, I think. If only. The GW suburban kits made by Comet are of Collett parentage. The OP's photograph seems clearer this morning for some reason. I'l stick with D109. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 31, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2017 If only. The GW suburban kits made by Comet are of Collett parentage. The OP's photograph seems clearer this morning for some reason. I'l stick with D109. Chris Thanks for that Chris That's an order for a LHT631 going in this afternoon! Many thanks Bob C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekofaustralia Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 This may be a clearer image? Dated to 1957. Lambourn station 1957_rmweb.jpg Mk1 Diagram 321? Cheers, Derek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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