Poggy1165 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 In An Illustrated History of Southern Wagons by Bixley et. al., Volume 2, page 85 is a drawing (and a photo) of an ex-GER cattle wagon which ended up on the Isle of Wight. To my mind a very pretty little vehicle. (There's a drawing of an equally nice ex-GER van on the same page). The cattle wagon does not show up in Tatlow, so I presume all had gone by 1923, indeed the Wight example is said to have been bought between 1904 and 1909. Does anyone happen to know when the breed became extinct on the GER itself? Reason for asking is I quite fancy a model of one of these but it would have to be GE in the absence of a Solent bridge. Interestingly, the photo shows a handbrake on only one side, and yet the wagon also has Westinghouse brakes. Though the arrangement of brakes in the photo looks much simpler than that in the drawing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Without a diagram number and/or a build year, it might be difficult to identify the specific wagon mentioned. Cattle traffic declined in GER times, but new wagons continued to be built until 1916. All appeared to have gone by nationalisation, but there would be plenty passing into LNER ownership in 1923. As with all similar matters, the Great Eastern Railway Society should have plenty of information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 We do the larger GER dia 7 cattle van. Having said that there are some missing wagons in the grey LNER books. I know of at least 4 wagons contemporary wagons that are missed. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatty 139 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Railway carriages and wagons by Sidney stone has a set of drawings on the last two pages for a 10'6" wb large cattle wagon (21'9" on) from the Holden era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Interestingly, the photo shows a handbrake on only one side, and yet the wagon also has Westinghouse brakes. Though the arrangement of brakes in the photo looks much simpler than that in the drawing. Could it be that the wagon was just piped and not fitted? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 I am having real difficulty in making sense of the photo. But there does seem to be a Westinghouse operating cylinder in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I am having real difficulty in making sense of the photo. But there does seem to be a Westinghouse operating cylinder in place. I thought that one of the reasons the acquisition was attractive to the Isle of Wight was that these were Westinghouse fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 I would have thought so. However, the actual arrangement of brake blocks on the wagon in the photo baffles me somewhat. It is certainly simplified and less logical than the arrangement shown on the drawing. Of course, we do not have the context for the photo. It *might* have been in the works, awaiting repair/modification or even scrap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I have just found this drawing on the revamped HMRS web site https://hmrs.org.uk/drawings/cattle-wagon-9ft-w-b.html. Looks interesting. Might have to build one for myself. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 Interestingly that seems to be another design again. The one in the Southern book has diagonal crossed external framework (as in a saltire each side of the door) , different buffers, and a different end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 There are a few more designs in the GER section. I like the look of a few of the other drawings. Marc There are a few more designs in the GER section. I like the look of a few of the other drawings. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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