drduncan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I shall. Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 I’ve gone for a totally new radical approach - this is suck it and see experimental modelling at its ‘best’ (or worst!). I’ve put one coat of red on and then transfers and then a second coat of red. The idea being to gently abrade the red when it’s dry covering the transfers to make them look faded and old. Or they may just turn out a strange shade of pink. We shall see. In truth the first coat of red didn’t have enough depth and was possibly a bit too orange....! We’ll see tomorrow if my experiment works...watch this space... Thanks have to go to Compound2632 and Mikkel for invaluable advice on numbering and livery details. Thanks chaps. 14 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2019 I think you need numbers on the ends as well as the sides, placed between the stanchions. Or maybe that came in with grey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2019 Yes, numbers on the ends but I think Tricky is on to that. As Compound2632 has pointed out, they seem to have come in when the small "GWR" was moved to the right hand side (I don't want to clog up Tricky's thread with details, but as a quick aside have a look at the images in Mike's post here, showing the left hand side GWR and no end numbers). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Good news and bad news: Good news is the red wagon above is coming along nicely and numbers have been added to the ends. Bad news is the grey wagon suffered a bit of a catastrophe as I was trying to change the axleboxes from oil to grease and a vital part pinged off into the nether regions of the workshop. So until that turns up, my fleet of GW wagons is down to one! Pics tomorrow maybe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tricky said: ...my fleet of GW wagons is down to one!... More than enough, more than enough 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 I agree - nothing wrong with innumerable D299s... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tricky said: I agree - nothing wrong with innumerable D299s... Or in my case, the NER equivalent, the C2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: Or in my case, the NER equivalent, the C2. There were, in c. 1902-1907, 62,000 Midland D299 wagons, 24,208 Great Western 4-plank wagons (they don't have a diagram number), 15,000+ LNWR D4 4-plank wagons; how many C2s were there, as a matter of interest? The North Eastern was up in the big four pre-Grouping companies on several counts including size of wagon fleet, but one has to factor in the very large number of mineral wagons owing to the North Eastern's no-PO policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 How about a S&DJR D299 for a bit of a change? Marc 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2019 One of the reference photos shows a horde of D299s with a solitary S&DJR Highbridge-built clone: DY 1024. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Compound2632 said: One of the reference photos shows a horde of D299s with a solitary S&DJR Highbridge-built clone: DY 1024. Do you think I’m pushing it to knock one out in 3 days...? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 The S&DJR D299's weren't all carbon copies of the Midland versions apart from them being an inch and a half thinner and having no bottom doors. There were ones built with raised ends and wooden sheet rails; others with William's sheet rails and 14 built with raves (7 with side doors) to transport peat. Marc 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 Interesting. Where might I find more info on them? Maybe one for after the weekend... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2019 Like Tricky, as a D299 afficionado, I'm interested in the source of your information, especially the different width. I was aware of the Highbridge variations on the theme, along with other detail differences such as the longer brake handle and chunky wooden doorstop. I hope Tricky won't object too much if I intrude one of my 4 mm/ft models here (apologies for the wheel-less and brake-less condition): Built using the Slater's kit, of course. I've been wondering how much Highbridge made themselves and how much was sent down from Derby - axleboxes and other castings? axleguards, knees and other ironwork? Or maybe just patterns? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2019 19 hours ago, Compound2632 said: There were, in c. 1902-1907, 62,000 Midland D299 wagons, 24,208 Great Western 4-plank wagons (they don't have a diagram number), 15,000+ LNWR D4 4-plank wagons; how many C2s were there, as a matter of interest? The North Eastern was up in the big four pre-Grouping companies on several counts including size of wagon fleet, but one has to factor in the very large number of mineral wagons owing to the North Eastern's no-PO policy. According to Tatlow, from June 1903 23,340 were upgraded from 8 to 8 1/2, 9 and 10 tons, 2.500 had an extra plank added in 1905 to bring them in line with the latest C9 (no idea how many C9s), from 1908 the much larger C10 was introduced and there were 22,405 at grouping. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: According to Tatlow, from June 1903 23,340 were upgraded from 8 to 8 1/2, 9 and 10 tons, 2.500 had an extra plank added in 1905 to bring them in line with the latest C9 (no idea how many C9s), from 1908 the much larger C10 was introduced and there were 22,405 at grouping. Interesting. On a par with the Great Western equivalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Interesting. On a par with the Great Western equivalent. Surely not that bad... ? Coat left behind as I run for shelter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Regularity said: Surely not that bad... ? Merely numerically. It's an indicator that, although the North Eastern's wagon fleet was numerically on a par with the Midland's, because of its policy of using its own wagons for mineral traffic (which the Midland did too, though not to the exclusive degree achieved by the North Eastern), the size of the North Eastern's wagon fleet devoted to merchandise (or goods if you prefer) traffic was on a par with the Great Western's; which is reasonable for two companies of similar size, importance, and wealth. Edited May 22, 2019 by Compound2632 Absent apostrophe inserted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2019 Yeah. I got that. I was poking fun at Swindonophiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Regularity said: Yeah. I got that. I was poking fun at Swindonophiles. And I at Gatesheadians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: And I at Gatesheadians. Ah. I failed to read “importance” as “self-importance”... Edited May 22, 2019 by Regularity Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted May 22, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2019 Now now, play nicely. On more pressing matters (to me anyway!), I have finished the red 4 plank and the covered van.... ....ta dah!! You may notice the conspicuous absence of the second grey 4 plank. I’m afraid no end of crawling around the workshop floor could reveal the offending widget, so it will have to wait...ho hum. 22 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Tricky said: Interesting. Where might I find more info on them? Maybe one for after the weekend... They are listed in the Southern Railway Wagon Vol.1 LSWR/SDJR. Also post 1914 most SDJR wagons were split between the LSWR and the midland but some included the peat wagons were still in their SDJR livery in 1930. As a side those wagons handed back to the parent companies were only fully repainted when it was needed so in most cases the SDJR lettering was painted over and the parents painted onto the SDJR liveried wagons. So you can get LSWR lettered wagons on a grey wagon rather than the brown oxide. The kits for the raised ended D299, 299 with flat ends and the peat wagon are available from us. if you PM me I can get something sorted. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just checked Southern Wagons Vol. 1. The drawing, Fig. 52, of these wagons (SR Diagram 1304 for those that passed to the LSWR) shows a wagon of internal and external dimensions identical to the standard Midland D299 wagon. The only significant point of difference is the length of the headstocks: 7'6" on the Midland vehicles, 7'9" for the Highbridge ones. This would mean that on the Midland wagons, the headstock projected 1/2" beyond the curb rail; on the S&DJR wagons, 2". Careful comparison of photos suggests that this might indeed be the case. For a while, I thought I was seeing two red wagons there, until I realised it was just one wagon but with different door-stop arrangements on the brake and non-brake side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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