RMweb Gold Market65 Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2019 So, after that ‘internal error’ here’s another two photo’s of the E.1. Best regards, Rob. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Those splashers look conspicuously wide. P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Those splashers look conspicuously wide. P They are removable, though - well, a separate moulding at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 One suspects that some fettling and nurdling will enhance this beastie to a very high standard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 21/12/2019 at 20:24, Daddyman said: Apart from the rods, a lesser niggle is the blower ejector pipe (not really a niggle at all, as it will be fun to remodel): most J72s had this pipe suspended off the boiler and straight for most of its length, whereas Bachmann's hugs the boiler and then kinks out for the smokebox. Only Joem seems to have its blower ejector pipe similar - but not the same - as this. The diameter of the pipe also looks a bit small. I thought that most J72s did not have this pipe. Looking at photos of those that do have it there are several machines from the last batch that have the lower pipe with a kink near he smoke box end. I have not found any evidence of an earlier loco that has this kinked pipe. Of course the only photos that I can find of the Bachmann loco are of the other side. What to do with mine is a project for the New Year I think. Remove? Replace? Renumber? But that adds further modifications as it needs the rear sandboxes added and possibly a change of buffers. Find proof that Bachmann are correct. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I spoke to the supplier of my faulty J72 on Friday afternoon and he emailed a returns label. I posted the model off on Saturday and it was received on Monday. The supplier, whom I have previously found to be excellent, rang to say they had test run a replacement for 20 minutes, cleaned its wheels and would despatch it that afternoon. The replacement arrived today and is complete and undamaged. However, whilst it does run, it is noisy and jerky at low speeds. Have other purchasers found this or am I just unlucky? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: I thought that most J72s did not have this pipe. Looking at photos of those that do have it there are several machines from the last batch that have the lower pipe with a kink near he smoke box end. I have not found any evidence of an earlier loco that has this kinked pipe. Of course the only photos that I can find of the Bachmann loco are of the other side. What to do with mine is a project for the New Year I think. Remove? Replace? Renumber? But that adds further modifications as it needs the rear sandboxes added and possibly a change of buffers. Find proof that Bachmann are correct. Bernard The J72s were a mix. Most were intended for shunting duties. The GA describes it as a ''shuntjng tank'. and as such had no requirement train brakes. A few were selected for pilot duties. These were required to move passenger stock and were fitted with vacuum ejectors hence the additional pipe on the left. There were variations in running this pipe from cab to smokebox. Some hugged the boiler until it neared the smokebox these had a severe kink, then a second bend into the smokebox. The smaller pipe from the firebox fed steam to the Dreadnought injector in the cab. One further comment, not all the BR built locos had vacuum ejectors fitted. ArthurK 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, 2750Papyrus said: I spoke to the supplier of my faulty J72 on Friday afternoon and he emailed a returns label. I posted the model off on Saturday and it was received on Monday. The supplier, whom I have previously found to be excellent, rang to say they had test run a replacement for 20 minutes, cleaned its wheels and would despatch it that afternoon. The replacement arrived today and is complete and undamaged. However, whilst it does run, it is noisy and jerky at low speeds. Have other purchasers found this or am I just unlucky? Mine too - noisy and jerky at low speeds, despite oiling, and worse the more I run it in. Not what you would call a smooth runner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 Regarding the running of the J72’s. All three of mine are very smooth and quiet. No complaints. But I did have each one tested in the shop, which would have picked up on any faulty running. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floreat Industria Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2313 and 68696 seem to have been shy of being photographed on the right hand side but by 1957 when 2313 was 68720 she had got over her shyness and shown that the front of the ejector pipe was straight. Darlington may of course have altered it at a boiler change. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted December 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) Here is a J72 in departmental guise at Tyne Dock, BR built with straight ejector pipe. Note the support from the tank. 58 was set aside for preservation but didn't make it. ArthurK Edited December 25, 2019 by ArthurK Grammar 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Chariot Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Doe this latest Bachmann J72 release just cover the first ten of the class built or the remainder up to and including the latter builds 69001- 69028 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Sun Chariot said: Doe this latest Bachmann J72 release just cover the first ten of the class built or the remainder up to and including the latter builds 69001- 69028 No, 1914 build onwards, the earliest ones (1898/9) had shorter bunkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Sun Chariot said: Doe this latest Bachmann J72 release just cover the first ten of the class built or the remainder up to and including the latter builds 69001- 69028 Not the BR ones without modification. Rear sand boxes and GS buffers amongst the detail differences and all manner of variation in the ejector pipe as already mentioned in several posts. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 22/12/2019 at 15:17, Hastings Thumper said: ...Does anyone know if the coal load comes out though ? - it looks like a diecast mound of coal but seems reluctant to move... Not owning - or even having seen one - this is guesswork; Bachmann's tank loco constructions typically have the plastic moulding representing the bunker exterior and rear spectacle plate surrounding a cast ballast weight with surface detail for 'coal' and the cab rear wall interior. A couple of crosshead screws on the underside of the body secure these parts to the footplate. Release these, and with a little wiggling to break any cement bonds all will be in bits. Of course it may all be completely different, and if it is, do tell! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2019 What's happened here! Few more little jobs to do then waiting for the number plates and it will be NER 2181. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2019 @Worsdell forever, I've been looking at photos of those splashers/sandboxes compared the ones on the old Mainline model (per your Class 44) with increasing satisfaction that a Raven E1 is not something I'm interested in possessing. But a thought has occurred to me: are they the right size for an E? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: @Worsdell forever, I've been looking at photos of those splashers/sandboxes compared the ones on the old Mainline model (per your Class 44) with increasing satisfaction that a Raven E1 is not something I'm interested in possessing. But a thought has occurred to me: are they the right size for an E? I think height wise and in profile they're right, they're just way too wide, I've a feeling this is because they are cast metal as part of the footplate, they look good side on but head on they're huge. Luckily we mostly see them side on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: I think height wise and in profile they're right, they're just way too wide, I've a feeling this is because they are cast metal as part of the footplate, they look good side on but head on they're huge. Luckily we mostly see them side on. So, because they're cast as part of the footplate, they cannot be conveniently changed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: I think height wise and in profile they're right, they're just way too wide, I've a feeling this is because they are cast metal as part of the footplate, they look good side on but head on they're huge. Luckily we mostly see them side on. Interesting. I was looking at @Silver Sidelines' photos of the new and old J72s head to head; the Mainline splashers look significantly smaller in height as well as width; perhaps they were always too small? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cram Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Looking at side photos in Yeadon the new ones look right. The original ones are too low compared to the boiler. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Paul Cram said: Looking at side photos in Yeadon the new ones look right. The original ones are too low compared to the boiler. That's encouraging. Bachmann have been rather given to over-scale splashers, I had assumed that this was due to needing to accommodate over-scale flanges. The ex-Midland 3F and 4F 0-6-0s and the LMS Standard 3F 0-6-0T are cases in point, while those on the LB&SCR E4 have struck me as especially humongous, even though the driving wheel diameter is less than that of the Midland goods engines. I suppose the running plate is at a lower height above rail level. Looking at photos of the forthcoming 1P, they seem to have got that right. Bachmann are by no means the only offender. Triang seemed to get splasher dimensions right, by dint of having the whole body sitting 2 mm too high! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2019 Yes, on the original Mainline one the splashers were a little small but not significantly, the sandboxes over them were way too low, on the 44 I added a piece of 40thou plasticard on top. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I must have watched these splendid little engines run in and out of Darlington and Newcastle Stations lots of times. However it doesn't help me remember any details! Another view from the same set of pictures. The older Bachmann splashers are certainly further inboard on the running plate and of smaller appeartance. Cheers Ray 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said: So, because they're cast as part of the footplate, they cannot be conveniently changed? I'm pretty sure - going by memory when I had the body off a few days ago - the splashers are plastic and a separate moulding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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