Bachmann Class 45

[Roy Langridge]

8 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Just to put closure, mine arrived today..

 

No crest or it it hiding?

Roy

[apollo 079]

11 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

No crest or it it hiding?

Roy

As I said before, 046 comes with backing plates but no crests. If you fit the back plates they will cover over the Tindley white rose emblems.

[rob D2]

I’ve just read Hornby mags review of the new peaks .

 

They are having a laugh - why not wait until they can get one from Barwell than review one that’s had after market number change and weathering from a company - the renumber isn’t very good either.

 

How can you assess the BR blue shade or anything decoration based ?

Just reads like an ad for the weathering .

[owentherail]

2 hours ago, rob D2 said:

I’ve just read Hornby mags review of the new peaks .

 

They are having a laugh - why not wait until they can get one from Barwell than review one that’s had after market number change and weathering from a company - the renumber isn’t very good either.

 

How can you assess the BR blue shade or anything decoration based ?

Just reads like an ad for the weathering .

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the renumber was a mess 

[rob D2]

4 minutes ago, owentherail said:

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the renumber was a mess 

I’ve seen some of their weathering and it’s pretty good, so I’m not sure why they’d let that sneak into a mag with the carrier film clearly visible.

[MikeParkin65]

3 hours ago, rob D2 said:

I’ve just read Hornby mags review of the new peaks .

 

They are having a laugh - why not wait until they can get one from Barwell than review one that’s had after market number change and weathering from a company - the renumber isn’t very good either.

 

How can you assess the BR blue shade or anything decoration based ?

Just reads like an ad for the weathering .

Interesting- I didn’t think much of the weathering (seen but not read the article), thought it was sort of bad Heljan at best. 

[rob D2]

8 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Interesting- I didn’t think much of the weathering (seen but not read the article), thought it was sort of bad Heljan at best. 

TBH, I wasn’t thinking so much of the peak but I’ve seen GT stuff at shows and always been fairly impressed overall.

Edited February 6, 2021 by rob D2

[Downer]

A bit off-topic but can anyone tell me if there are any significant visual differences between the Derby- and Crewe-built split headcode 45s?

[aureol40012]

Picked up a second 45/0, 45022 from a certain supplier in rural North Yorkshire.  Decided to give their economy weathering a go and was very pleased with the job they did....apart from the fact the weathering on the nose had rubbed off in a big patch both ends where the packaging holds the loco.  
 

They accepted it back no problem a month later a replacement arrived. Unfortunately the weathering wasn’t quite as good on the second one, and again there was a little weathering rubbed off one nose end. I couldn’t face sending it back a second time so got the pigments out and added a little more detail and patched up the nose. Not 100% happy with the nose “repair” yet, will give it another go later on, but all in all she doesn’t look bad.

[steveb860]

On 06/02/2021 at 15:33, rob D2 said:

I’ve just read Hornby mags review of the new peaks .

 

They are having a laugh - why not wait until they can get one from Barwell than review one that’s had after market number change and weathering from a company - the renumber isn’t very good either.

 

How can you assess the BR blue shade or anything decoration based ?

Just reads like an ad for the weathering .

First thing to draw my eye was the silvering, however, close up pictures can be cruel. The pic on the 3rd page of the review, top right of page does not look quite as bad, though still not perfect.

[rob D2]

28 minutes ago, steveb860 said:

First thing to draw my eye was the silvering, however, close up pictures can be cruel. The pic on the 3rd page of the review, top right of page does not look quite as bad, though still not perfect.

I’m just not sure why they did it ? Did they not ask for a sample / don’t get sent one or is this a new policy to showcase advertisers in their mag at the same time as reviews ? 
 

I felt a tad shortchanged. 

[Mophead45143]

On 06/02/2021 at 18:32, owentherail said:

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the renumber was a mess 

 

It was also a poor choice of prototype, 45038 never had the 'trapezoid' grille on the lower body side.

[apollo 079]

13 hours ago, Mophead45143 said:

 

It was also a poor choice of prototype, 45038 never had the 'trapezoid' grille on the lower body side.

Given the model they had, if they wanted to renumber it to an un-named 45/0 the options were severely restricted because of the lower bodyside grille and the sealed beams. The only options would have been 45019/26/56.  008 would be no good as it had central headcode boxes to its withdrawal.

 

Kevin

[adb968008]

12 hours ago, apollo 079 said:

Given the model they had, if they wanted to renumber it to an un-named 45/0 the options were severely restricted because of the lower bodyside grille and the sealed beams. The only options would have been 45019/26/56.  008 would be no good as it had central headcode boxes to its withdrawal.

 

Kevin

From Derby Sulzers site, the full list is:

 

45008/19/22/6/41/56/102-9,12,4/21-2/34 and 45141

 

Bachmann must modelled 45022 / 41.

 

I chose 019 (image on previous page) and recommend 022 as a base for renumbers, as the plates are easy to remove.

 

For those without the grill 45046 is best bet, its just a set of printed letters and a TI crest.. removes almost on your finger nails, though its generally selling at rrp.

 

Note the numbers on a peak are larger than standard numbers, Ive not found a good rub on source, so just used railtec rub on standard transfers for now.

 

[Butler Henderson]

Anyone remembered 041? Looking for a spare set of plates, specifically the crest.

[adb968008]

13 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Note the numbers on a peak are larger than standard numbers, Ive not found a good rub on source, so just used railtec rub on standard transfers for now.

 

Ive been contacted on this, and suddenly i’m opened up a little more.

i’m aware various diesels had larger numbers, 20’s, 25’s, 26’s and 45’s I all assumed had larger numbers on occasion..

example here... with 20111 and 20113.

 

 

However looking at the larger numbers printed on Bachmann 45’s, my assumption, and historical thought, was they got it right.

 

But have they ?

 

Ive got transfers going back 40 years in my collection, and following that message prompt, thought it might be worthwhile digging around.

 

for example this is 45046, with a standard “D” from Railtec and a rather yellowed aged HMRS Pressfix sheet 15 number “1”... Pressfix and Bachmann agree.

 

But...its the only place they agree...

Replica transfers were the rage in the 1990’s, they matched Lima and Frizinghall for size at the time... so..

”1” - Replica 1990’s rub on. (2mm)

”37284” standard Bachmann TOPS number (2.5mm)

”D” Railtec Rub on. (2mm)

”D” underneath.. Medium size Pressfix TOPS number (theres three sizes on the sheet, coach, loco and larger which I used on the previous). (2mm)

 

 

the next step was a wider comparison...

56303 is Hornby plus a Railtec “D” (2mm)

37284 as above (2.5mm)

45046 with the same Bachmann font size as 37284.. (2.5mm)

 

now to eliminate ive added a Fox “NSE” size “9” (3.65mm) followed by a Fox 7 inch “5” (3.16mm).

again none match.
 

finally Scottish numbers... I dont have a Scottish sheet to hand, so instead I went to Lima with its Scottish numbers... and added a Railtec “0”...

 

its clear the standard size number used on Hornby, Railtec, Pressfix, Replica is not the same as Bachmann, nor is Bachmann similar to 7 inch, NSE or Lima’s rendition of Scottish.

27001 (3mm)

coming back to my original post, I always thought 45 numbers were slightly larger than standard numbers... 

 

unfortunately this is my only close up, and on balance I think its standard actually..

Unfortunately for the guy at the window 45069 was supposed to read D200 on that particular train. ;-)

 

so who is right ?

my 45 fleet now looks like 45019,22,41,49,68 and another 2 tbd The 45046 above is on its way now to becoming 45069...

 

i’m sticking with Railtec as with 45068 in the above picture, its not just the size, there is 3 different companies, its clear which was cleanest to apply too, but the question of Bachmann size I am puzzled.

 

Edited February 14, 2021 by adb968008

[Phil Bullock]

HAppy with Railtec TOPS numbers here too....

[apollo 079]

On 14/02/2021 at 00:20, adb968008 said:

From Derby Sulzers site, the full list is:

 

45008/19/22/6/41/56/102-9,12,4/21-2/34 and 45141

 

Bachmann must modelled 45022 / 41.

 

I chose 019 (image on previous page) and recommend 022 as a base for renumbers, as the plates are easy to remove.

 

For those without the grill 45046 is best bet, its just a set of printed letters and a TI crest.. removes almost on your finger nails, though its generally selling at rrp.

 

Note the numbers on a peak are larger than standard numbers, Ive not found a good rub on source, so just used railtec rub on standard transfers for now.

 

It cannot be 45008 for the reason I have stated and a 45/1 would require surgery to rrskin the area of the bodyside where the footsteps were, also the roof area would require some extra work. As has been noted before, no manufacturer has yet produced a correctly detailed class 45/1.

Kevin

[Roy Langridge]

13 hours ago, Willoughby Glen said:

 

So 45022/45041 can be used straight forward renumbering projects for 

 

 

 

You could consider some class 46s, please correct me if wrong but believe you may just need to change the battery box covers by filling in the X on all 4 covers as they were flat on the 46.  So you could look at the following that I found with 45022/45041 body:

46002, 46027, 46029, 46053, 46056

There is an extra hatch on one side of a 45 that is not present on a 46 and an extra hatch on a 46 roof.

 

Edit: This is the hatch on the side:

 

Roy

Edited February 22, 2021 by Roy Langridge

[pheaton]

The extra hatch is for the lighting switch, 2 battery charge sockets and the jump start terminals, 46s didnt have them because they are 110v machines whereas 45s were unique being 220v.

[lincolnshiremodeller]

On 21/02/2021 at 20:20, Willoughby Glen said:

 

So 45022/45041 can be used straight forward renumbering projects for 

 

45019

45026 - need to remove double arrows from one end on both sides, as it only carried 2 instead of 4 

 

45008, as mentioned above had centre headcodes when scrapped

45056 has the small grille unplated, so no good for that

 

Again as mentioned above 45/1 would need some modelling to remove body steps, as these were fully removed and area replated, but the only ones you could use 45022/45041 for would be:

45107, 45108, 45114, 45121, 45122

 

45102, 45103, 45104, 45105, 45106, 45109, 45112, 45134 have the same issue as 45056, small grille not plated over

 

You could consider some class 46s, please correct me if wrong but believe you may just need to change the battery box covers by filling in the X on all 4 covers as they were flat on the 46.  So you could look at the following that I found with 45022/45041 body:

46002, 46027, 46029, 46053, 46056

 

Are there detailing/conversion kits on the market for converting a 45/0 to a 45/1? Does it involves a great deal of surgery?

 

I'm keen on a 45/1 but no so keen on taking drills and knife to a brand new 45/0 if it involves a lot of work. 

 

Take the plunge or wait for a 45/1....whenever that day comes along?

[3rd Rail Exile]

47 minutes ago, Willoughby Glen said:

There is a step by step guide here:

http://www.45133.co.uk/uploads/2/2/3/1/22313750/converting_a_bachmann_class_45_model_to_45133.pdf

 

you will need to put a knife to the body and a respray. You wont need to do the nose but the roof detail and side steps will need removing.

Norton blocks that as a "known dangerous site" - any idea why? 

[woodenhead]

47 minutes ago, 3rd Rail Exile said:

Norton blocks that as a "known dangerous site" - any idea why? 

It's fine for me with Norton.  Perhaps it is just dangerous for you, Norton doesn't want you playing with knives on your locos

[lincolnshiremodeller]

11 hours ago, Willoughby Glen said:

There is a step by step guide here:

http://www.45133.co.uk/uploads/2/2/3/1/22313750/converting_a_bachmann_class_45_model_to_45133.pdf

 

you will need to put a knife to the body and a respray. You wont need to do the nose but the roof detail and side steps will need removing.

Thanks for that. I'll take a look, although a respray of a brand new loco doesn't sound too palatable.

 

Cheers

[Waverley47708]

Took delivery of 45022 today.  Currently running it in but already concerned about poor running.  Hopefully the usual 1 hour each way will improve it.

 

If not I think it will have to be returned.

 

It is also reluctant to restart after I've stopped it.

 

Any one else having running and or restarting issues?

 

Surprised how dirty the wheels were after two circuits, pretty sure that dirt didn't come from my track as other locos are running ok.