JZ Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I read somewhere that one or more of these had been to Bristol. Does anyone know of their numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Yes, but I'd have to go through the Archive (tomorrow!) to get some of the numbers. There was a regular job for this class and others: a Fitted Derby - Bristol and return, and was usually covered by a Crewe South loco. While not an every day occurrence, I believe we have sighting for at least half the class there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) According to the RCTS book on the Hughes, and Stanier 2-6-0's, the Staniers were often seen in Bristol, and Bath Green Park where on Summers Saturdays they could be seen on Bournemouth holiday trains running via the S&DJR, sightings included the 'Pines', although it was rare for them to continue south of Bath. Although one conclusion I would make is that Saltley could be overstretched with supplying loco changes at Brum N/S, and called on the other sheds in the area for help, as a few of Aston's, and Bescot's allocation would turn up, at times, in Bristol, and Bath. Can't remember who, but one of the members on this forum used to have a link on his signature to a list of loco sightings on the Birmingham to Bristol main line in the early 1960's, I remember there were quite a few of the afore mentioned locos on there. Edited September 5, 2017 by bike2steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 According to the RCTS book on the Hughes, and Stanier 2-6-0's, the Staniers were often seen in Bristol, and Bath Green Park where on Summers Saturdays they could be seen on Bournemouth holiday trains running via the S&DJR, sightings included the 'Pines', although it was rare for them to continue south of Bath. Although one conclusion I would make is that Saltley could be overstretched with supplying loco changes at Brum N/S, and called on the other sheds in the area for help, as a few of Aston's, and Bescot's allocation would turn up, at times, in Bristol, and Bath. Can't remember who, but one of the members on this forum used to have a link on his signature to a list of loco sightings on the Birmingham to Bristol main line in the early 1960's, I remember there were quite a few of the afore mentioned locos on there. Was it Pobrian Paul? Post 526 at the top of this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/380-on-this-day-in-history/page-22 Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Sort of Phil, it was a while ago that I noticed it, but not so sure. But I see your 'location' of Abbotswood Junction ( is that the Worcester 'bypass' ?), that rings a bell of the actual sighting location - or am I imagining things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 Certainly is the by pass Paul - never heard anyone else call it that but that was how we knew the line in our youth! Now theres always this ... hee hee http://staniermogulfund.org.uk/?page_id=24 But a sighting between Brum and south of Gloucester is no guarantee that the loco went to Bristol - could have been a Bath working via Mangotsfield of course as documented on SMF web site Cheers Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 So started searching through Pobriens 1964 files - only got as far as 7th Jan before 42979 popped up Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 Shedbash UK shows Bescot's 42974 on Barrow Road , Sunday 26th July 1964. Elsewhere Nuneaton's 42946 was recorded on a Coventry - Penzance train at Spetchley on 29th June 1962. This would probably have changed for a WR loco at Bristol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 So started searching through Pobriens 1964 files - only got as far as 7th Jan before 42979 popped up Phil The full size version one of my 5, a Bescot loco. But, sorry, I digress !? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Hope this works! 42945 24/12/1964 Bristol Barrow Road 42946 09/07/1960 Bristol 42946 09/07/1962 Bristol 42948 30/07/1960 Bristol 42955 12/03/1965 Bristol Barrow Rd 42956 12/05/1959 Bristol Pigeon special 42958 24/01/1961 Bristol Empty banana vans for Avonmouth, then local passenger to Gloucester 42958 26/01/1961 Bristol 7/43 Class E Goods to Bescot 42961 10/12/1960 Bristol Sutton Park - Bristol parcels, then 10.52 SO to Gloucester 42962 04/08/1956 Bristol Barrow Rd mpd 42962 05/08/1956 Bristol Barrow Rd mpd 42968 08/08/1959 Bristol area? 8.40 Bournemouth - Bradford 42970 22/07/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42974 20/03/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42974 26/07/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 16/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 00/08/64 82E Bristol Barrow Rd 42974 07/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42974 21/08/1964 Bristol Temple Meads station area 42974 21/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 23/08/1964 42974 23/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 26/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Road Shed 42974 27/08/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42974 05/09/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 08/09/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 23/09/1964 Bristol Barrow Road shed 82E 42974 04/10/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42974 18/10/1964 Bristol Barrow Road mpd 42974 08/11/1964 82E Bristol Barrow Road mpd 42974 06/12/1964 Bristol Barrow Road Shed 42974 24/12/1964 Bristol Barrow Road mpd 42974 03/01/1965 Barrow Rd mpd 42974 05/01/1965 Mangotsfield North Jct Reversing Mail ecs 42975 01/02/1964 Bristol Temple Meads station Platform 12 2H74 9.15 Bristol - Gloucester stoppingh passenger 42978 26/01/1957 Bristol Barrow Rd shed 42979 24/01/1963 Bristol Temple Meads 1N59 7/25 Bristol to Newcastle Mail 42979 17/07/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42979 19/11/1964 Bristol Barrow Rd 42980 01/08/1959 Bristol area? 12/0 Bournmouth - Coventry relief 42980 20/11/1963 Bristol Barrow Road mpd 2981 00/00/00 Bristol Temple Meads Stn LE 2981 00/05/45 Birmingham - Bristol line Goods travelling towards Mold Jct 2974 was on Barrow Road for a very protracted repair. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Excellent!! Many thanks. I wasn't aware of them going to Green Park, that's why I asked for Bristol. But at least I have an excuse for a 'borrowed' loco on the S&D. And I don't have to renumber. Edited September 6, 2017 by JZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Excellent!! Many thanks. I wasn't aware of them going to Green Park, that's why I asked for Bristol. But at least I have an excuse for a 'borrowed' loco on the S&D. And I don't have to renumber. BGP shed had a reputation of 'borrowing' locos to substitute for failures, and shortfalls going south during summer Saturdays, but most times it would be a Saltley loco, I think there was an understanding between the two sheds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Can I just add that there are no sightings of a Stanier Crab on the S&D. That doesn't mean that one never went there, of course, only that it wasn't seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2017 2974 was on Barrow Road for a very protracted repair. Wow - something akin to a heavy general perhaps? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempenfelt Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Can I just add that there are no sightings of a Stanier Crab on the S&D. That doesn't mean that one never went there, of course, only that it wasn't seen Actually I do have photographic evidence in one of my books of a Crab quite far south on the S&D, somewhere around Sturminster Newton I think, albeit in LMS days/late 40's I think. There was also a reference to their increased use over the line particularly during the war period. I haven't however seen a picture of Stanier mogul on the S&D however, perhaps at BGP though. Having done quite a bit of research on Bristol Barrow Road as i'm involved with a P4 model under construction, there is certainly a few pics of a Stanier mogul out the back by the workshop, judging by the comments above I'd assume that this was indeed 2974. Best Wishes Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I think you're talking of Horwich Crabs on the S&D, and they were trialled there first in 1927 but it was about 10 years later that they became regulars at Green Park. The problem prior to that was the bridge restrictions between Bath and Mangotsfield, and even after this there was a speed restriction down to 15mph over Bridges Nos. 19 and 24. If you have any evidence of Stanier Crabs on the S&D, I'd love to hear from you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) These are from my records of Stanier Crabs in Bristol in 1963/64 (to supplement LMS2968's detailed list) 1963 Thursday January 24 1N59 19.25 Bristol-Newcastle 19.25 42979 Saturday August 10 1E60 Relief Bristol-Sheffield 42974 Monday December 16 5M25 17.20 St Philips Yard-Water Orton 17.20 42979 Thursday December 19 6M05 7.25 Westerleigh-Washwood Heath 42979 Friday December 27 3V14 2.00 Derby-Bristol 9.32 42970 Saturday December 28 On Shed 82E 42970 1964 Tuesday January 7 4V42 19.15 Bradford-Westerleigh 5.50 42979 Saturday February 1 2H74 9.15 Bristol-Gloucester 9.15 42975 Friday March 20 On Shed 82E 42974 Saturday July 11 1N79 10.53 SPM-Newcastle 10.53 42957 Friday July 17 4E22 18.40 Severn Beach-Immingham 18.40 42979 Wednesday July 22 2H74 17.45 Bristol-Gloucester 17.45 42970 Wednesday July 22 On Shed 82E 42970 Sunday July 26 On Shed 82E 42974 Wednesday August 5 4V44 5.50 Washwood Heath-Westerleigh 10.05 42979 Wednesday August 5 4M37 14.40 Avonmouth-Water Orton 14.40 42979 Thursday August 6 5M25 17.20 St Philips Yard-Water Orton 17.20 42979 Saturday August 8 On Shed 82E 42974 Sunday August 16 On Shed 82E 42974 Sunday August 23 On Shed 82E 42974 Thursday August 27 On Shed 82E 42974 Saturday September 5 On Shed 82E 42974 Sunday September 6 On Shed 82E 42974 Saturday October 24 8M49 11.55 St Philips Yard-Washwood Heath 11.55 42950 Wednesday November 4 4N18 14.55 St Philips Yard-York 14.55 42954 Wednesday November 18 2H74 17.45 Bristol-Gloucester 17.45 42979 Thursday November 19 6M03 20.00 St Philips Yard-Crewe 20.00 42979 Thursday November 19 On Shed 82E 42979 Sunday December 6 On Shed 82E 42974 Thursday December 24 2M74 18.30 Bristol-Birmingham 18.30 42945 Thursday December 24 On Shed 82E 42945 Thursday December 24 On Shed 82E 42974 In addition 42974 was used on ecs turns at Bristol on Tuesday January 5, 1965 Two photos of the above https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5151853096/in/photolist-8RfAro https://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_leigh/3386294438/in/photolist-6aeDmS January 24, 1963 was at the height of the big freeze. I remember 42979 backing down from Barrow Road onto the 7.25 p.m. Newcastle, one hour late. There was simply no available motive power for this train which was the heaviest train of the day, including the mail stock. 42974 was stuck a the back of Barrow Road under repair for what seemed a long period, but may only have been 3-4 weeks. Four of the class were allocated to Bescot in the mid-1960's, 42957/74/75/79, and they would have been the more common visitors to Bristol Edited September 6, 2017 by Pobrien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I have two Stanier Moguls, myself; one in LMS Lined Black and the other in BR Black (No. 42968, the preserved example I saw on the Severm Valley Railway six years ago). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Was there any reason why Crabs were not widely used on the Somerset & Dorset? They certainly turned up at Bath on a regular basis. Given that Bath Green Park had quite a reputation for 'borrowing' loco's I assume that there must have been a reason as most types seemed to have appeared on the line at some stage if not banned for weight/clearance reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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