RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2017 There are also 3D printed bogies available on Shapeways (no connection other than as customer). You need to provide your own wheels and 2 versions are made. 1 with provision for brass bearings and one without. I have a pair of each. Whilst not exactly cheap for a pair of bogies I can vouch for their simplicity as I'm the kind of guy who has all thumbs in place of fingers. (Note the price is per bogie not a pair).https://www.shapeways.com/product/966HTBFBT/gw-9-american-bogie-lima-fit-needs-bearings?optionId=60119162&li=ostatus https://www.shapeways.com/product/PHAPL7GWS/gwr-9-american-bogie-lima-fit?optionId=60118914&li=ostatus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
francoes Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 There are also 3D printed bogies available on Shapeways (no connection other than as customer). You need to provide your own wheels and 2 versions are made. 1 with provision for brass bearings and one without. I have a pair of each. Whilst not exactly cheap for a pair of bogies I can vouch for their simplicity as I'm the kind of guy who has all thumbs in place of fingers. (Note the price is per bogie not a pair). https://www.shapeways.com/product/966HTBFBT/gw-9-american-bogie-lima-fit-needs-bearings?optionId=60119162&li=ostatus https://www.shapeways.com/product/PHAPL7GWS/gwr-9-american-bogie-lima-fit?optionId=60118914&li=ostatus Thanks for the reply Very interesting as the american bogie would work to mix things up. I have six lima siphons to bring up to scratch.All will be based around late 70s newspaper traffic br blue.Maybe ETH.As what i remember going pass the warren as a kid. I am looking at w1325 as one.This one has nearly all sides plated over bar end grilles at both ends but is running on 9` pressed steel.I will have a quick look at p.bartletts photos and see what throws up there.I have seen the one posted on here at bodmin and that is of interest for me too. So i would still like to obtain the Bachmann ones. Thanks Again Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) I've just replaced a set of Mk1 bogies on one of my LIMA Siphon G with a Collett 7' that I have developed and 3D printed. The photograph below shows a compression between the new bogies (left) and the original (right). If anyone is interested it is now available from my Shapeways under my Stafford Road Model Works page. https://www.shapeways.com/product/SUT5JRGJW/gw-7-collett-bogie-lima-fit?optionId=64877661 Edited February 27, 2018 by 81E 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted February 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2018 Have you a product code for these, as i can find all manner of bogies from Bachmann but not these.Are they collett ones as they look slightly different? Thanks Sorry for replying so late I missed your post you might have found out by now but this is what you want. http://www.hattons.co.uk/18792/Bachmann_Branchline_36_010_Pair_of_Collett_bogies/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dmurrell Posted February 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2018 David Geen does one in etched brass. Chris Does anyone have a copy of the David Geen Siphon planner that they would be willing to scan and make available? David Murrell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 You be Does anyone have a copy of the David Geen Siphon planner that they would be willing to scan and make available?David Murrell Better be quick, Less than 10 weeks before he ceases to trade. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dmurrell Posted February 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2018 Better be quick, Less than 10 weeks before he ceases to trade. Mike Wiltshire I know Mike, I asked for the Siphon planner over a year ago! And I've just reminded him about an order from last September... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2018 Does anyone have a copy of the David Geen Siphon planner that they would be willing to scan and make available? David Murrell Yes, I have just scanned it off, I'm not sure I can post them so I am about to send a PM. I will PM Fatadder and dmurrell as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Yes, I have just scanned it off, I'm not sure I can post them so I am about to send a PM. I will PM Fatadder and dmurrell as well. What is a Siphon planner please???? Khris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2018 What is a Siphon planner please???? Khris The detailing "kit" that David Geen does covers virtually all the variations for the siphon Gs and the siphon H. So you look on the sheet to decide which one you're going to do and only get the bits for that variation. Saves buying a load of bits that you don't need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2018 Very interesting as the american bogie would work to mix things up. I have six lima siphons to bring up to scratch.All will be based around late 70s newspaper traffic br blue.Maybe ETH.As what i remember going pass the warren as a kid. The Lima Siphon is ostensibly diagram O33 but these did not run on the American bogies (unless you have that photo that shows the exception). They used either the 7ft heavy bogie for the first lot and then 9ft heavy pressed steel bogies according to the Slinn/Clarke book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I know Mike, I asked for the Siphon planner over a year ago! And I've just reminded him about an order from last September... David His wife is having major health issues, the reason he is packing it all in. Orders are only being processed when he is not having to visit doctors and hospitals. Siphon planner PDF here Siphon Underframe.pdf Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dmurrell Posted March 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2018 His wife is having major health issues, the reason he is packing it all in. Orders are only being processed when he is not having to visit doctors and hospitals. Siphon planner PDF here Siphon Underframe.pdf Mike Wiltshire Thanks Mike, I'm well aware of his predicament and obviously support his priorities; I have held off contacting him again until now. Thanks very much for posting the Siphon Underframe planner. I will add them to my order and hope for the best. Please pass on my best wishes when you see him next. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I've just replaced a set of Mk1 bogies on one of my LIMA Siphon G with a Collett 7' that I have developed and 3D printed. The photograph below shows a compression between the new bogies (left) and the original (right). If anyone is interested it is now available from my Shapeways under my Stafford Road Model Works page. https://www.shapeways.com/product/SUT5JRGJW/gw-7-collett-bogie-lima-fit?optionId=64877661 Trying again with the link for the 7ft bogies to make a diagram O11 https://www.shapeways.com/product/SUT5JRGJW/gwr-7-collett-bogie-lima-fit?optionId=64877661&li=marketplace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Onward from the demise of David Geen’s Siphon kit I was able to put together a solution for the lovely Airfix Siphon H body which, with a bit of paint and some renumbering, has turned out quite well. Undergubbins includes the Comet LMS 50’ chassis with bogies re-centred at 35’, MJT 9’ American bogies and stepboards with Gibson wheels. Eileen supplied the 1.2mm brass angle, while Wizard or MJT (I forget) supplied the gas tanks and vacuum cylinders, Frogmore the brake rodding cranks, Mainly Trains the brake levers, Slaters the sprung square shank buffers, Rumney the couplings and Lanarkshire the Vacuum and Westinghouse pipes. Consulting the ‘Siphons’ book helped enormously, but in its absence the Airfix underframe is dimensionally OK, just a horrible plastic rendition and so could, I imagine, be used as a reference. So, here it is: Best, Marcus Edited July 11, 2021 by EHertsGER 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 I have 3 Siphons, a Lima inside framed G in BR crimson with Pressed Steel bogies from Comet, a Mainline outside framed G in heavily weathered large letter GW livery, with it's orignal bogies, and an Airfix H with American bogies in BR brown livery. All have replacement cast buffers and have been worked up with separate handrails and the door holes drilled out; they are fine as 'layout' models, and all have responded well to working up. The Lima especially is transformed by getting rid of the B1 bogies. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpac Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I managed to pick up an outside framed Siphon G and 2 outside framed Siphon H's today from a local club railway sale for AUD$45 total (~£24). I got them home and noticed the underframe and bogies had been replaced on one of the Siphon H's, then realised I'll have to get that one converted back to OO from EM.... Must pay more attention when buying stock! They will go well with my 2 inside framed Lima Siphon G's Mark 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted July 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2021 Interesting to read the initial posts from 2017……. And we still don’t have a new RTR model! Can’t be much longer now surely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 On 05/09/2017 at 22:32, chrisf said: There were vans advertising Palethorpes sausages but none was a Siphon G. The only Palethorpes vans built by the GWR were a couple of six-wheelers, 2801 and 2802. John Isherwood, aka cctrans, has modelled several Palethorpes vans and I'm sure has written them up on this 'ere forum. The first lot of inside framed Siphons G, nos. 2051-69, had 7 ft wb bogies. 2070 had 9 ft wb American bogies. Most of the rest had 9 ft wb pressed steel bogies. Chris Can I just test my understanding. For the ex-Lima Siphon G, both the Airfix 7ft (B set) and 9ft (autocoach) bogies are viable swaps, with the longer wheelbase being more common later in life (particularly in the BR Blue era). How about the dia 062 with drop vents - only the 9ft? Thanks Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37079 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Yes but with caveats: 7ft wheelbase for the first lot of 20 to diagram O33 but the last of these was withdrawn in 1966, so doubtful any of these got rail blue. Mainline/Bachmann style 9ft plate bogies were used on most subsequent builds including all of diagram O62 although the RTR bogie has the longer footsteps used on passenger vehicles but not on the milk vans. But there’s always the exception to the rule…1332 from O62 had 9ft wheelbase American bogies at one point. And this one survived into the 80s according to Slinn. Mike 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I replaced the bogies of my two Lima Siphon Gs with Mainline Collett bogies as I could pop around to the Replica Railways shop in Swindon where Godfrey Hayes had a boxful of bogie frames at £1.50 each he was only too pleased to shift. The 14mm Hornby wheels only just clear the underside of the floor. At the time I also managed to buy some Lima AEC railcar buffers with rectangular shanks as spares (probably from the erstwhile M.B. Models of Nottingham?) to replace the small originals. Probably not entirely accurate but a considerable visual improvement and good enough for me. One has a Blacksmith Models diagram 062 kit applied but all of the shutters are closed as it seemed to me that open ones would require the grilles being set into the bodyside and I couldn't be @r$ed with the drilling and filing...........or did I have that wrong? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Did any of the siphon get BR1 bogies in BR days or did they all retain their GWR versions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 They retained their GWR bogies. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binky Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Those of you who have put Mainline/Airfix bogies on the Lima Siphon, did this modification alter the ride height at all or is it a straightforward swap? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) Mine has 247 Developments bogies on it but the same will apply to rtr bogies. The main challenge is Lima had undersized wheels. I had to drill out the floor to prevent the 14mm wheels rubbing on the floor. I have one with bogies from an Airfix Auto coach. I had to drill out floor as mentioned. Glue a bolt into the bogie mount hold and modify the Airfix bogie to take the smaller bolt with plasticard. Mike Wiltshire Edited August 3, 2022 by Coach bogie 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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