Penlan Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) I was in a pub which served a beverage Fellinfoel (Sp?) and when I asked for 3 pints of feeling foul I was told most sternly that it was Vellin voel. It's Felinfoel, just one 'L', no double F's either. It use to be Felin-foel*, apart from a flour factory there which was 'FelinFoel Flour'. BTW the Felinfoel Brewery was the first successful company to produce canned beer, it had been tried in the USA, but the product had a taste of tin in it and didn't sell. Felinfoel Brewery coated the inside of their cans with a wax, and all was well. But this should not be of any interest within this topic as it's post-grouping - 1935 * Pre-grouping spelling Edited September 11, 2017 by Penlan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Obviously we need to decide what is meant by "grouping". For example, the Great Central started off as the Sheffield, Ashton-under-Lyne and Manchester Railway. It amalgamated with various other concerns such as the Sheffield and Lincoln Junction. Eventually it became the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway. All these changes had to be approved by Parliament, so they were a sort of pre-grouping, grouping. Then the MS&L built the London branch and changed its title to Great Central Railway, in an attempt to sound less provincial. I suggest that the common meaning of "Grouping" refers to the events brought about by the Railways Act 1921. There were certainly lots of other "groupings" before, and some after, but they were (by comparison) insignificant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Obviously we need to decide what is meant by "grouping". For example, the Great Central started off as the Sheffield, Ashton-under-Lyne and Manchester Railway. It amalgamated with various other concerns such as the Sheffield and Lincoln Junction. Eventually it became the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway. All these changes had to be approved by Parliament, so they were a sort of pre-grouping, grouping. Then the MS&L built the London branch and changed its title to Great Central Railway, in an attempt to sound less provincial. I suggest that the common meaning of "Grouping" refers to the events brought about by the Railways Act 1921. There were certainly lots of other "groupings" before, and some after, but they were (by comparison) insignificant. As the general secretary of the Amalgamated Rivet Counters, Livery and Lettering Checker's, my members would like see a management proposal of a concrete date so that they can continue with their important pedantry work with out cause for any unnecessary industrial action. If management are unable to produce a proposal which is felt satisfactory to our membership then we intend to work to rule! AND RULES ARE RULES!!! WE WILL FOLLOW THEM AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!! Marc 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 As the general secretary of the Amalgamated Rivet Counters, Livery and Lettering Checker's, my members would like see a management proposal of a concrete date so that they can continue with their important pedantry work with out cause for any unnecessary industrial action. If management are unable to produce a proposal which is felt satisfactory to our membership then we intend to work to rule! AND RULES ARE RULES!!! WE WILL FOLLOW THEM AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!! Marc Pre 1923. Of course it will mean renaming the "Pre-grouping - Modelling & Prototype" Forum. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Pre 1923. Of course it will mean renaming the "Pre-grouping - Modelling & Prototype" Forum. We the Amalgamated Rivet Counters, Livery and Lettering Checker's would like to counter your proposal "Pre-grouping - Modelling & Prototype" Forum with "Pre 1923 - Modelling & Prototype" Forum. This would be more acceptable to my members. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Originally pronounced Vestiniog? Not by the English paymasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Some time ago, someone wrote to the Times about something described as being "more pedantic" - surely it was pedantic or not. Then came the reply that something with three instances of pedantry was more pedantic than something else with only two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Some time ago, someone wrote to the Times about something described as being "more pedantic" - surely it was pedantic or not. Then came the reply that something with three instances of pedantry was more pedantic than something else with only two. But isn't there a precedent with infinite - twice infinity is still infinity? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Or is it 'unique' ? Answer Yes or No, But never ever almost unique, or virtually unique. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 As the general secretary of the Amalgamated Rivet Counters, Livery and Lettering Checker's, my members would like see ... Your missing an apostrophe, or maybe too apostrophe's. Im not telling you were in the sentence - you definately must of done it deliberatley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Miles Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Y in Welsh ie very simple. If it is on its own it is pronounced as "Er" (sometimes "un"). If it is within a word and it is not the last vowel it is pronounced as "er". If it is the last vowel it is pronounced as "ee", so the Welsh word for house "Ty" is pronounced "tea". A good test of this is Ynysybwl which you have to realise is a compound noun so really it is Ynys, Y and Bwl. Once you get your head around this it is really easy!! Edited September 11, 2017 by John_Miles 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 So why did they call the junction for the branch Stormstown? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Your missing an apostrophe, or maybe too apostrophe's. Im not telling you were in the sentence - you definately must of done it deliberatley. I'm sure that in pre-grouping times, your grasp of written English would have you in front of the headmaster, with your trousers down, awaiting a good caning. Or at the very least, extremely sore knuckles from your class teacher. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Y in Welsh ie very simple. If it is on its own it is pronounced as "Er" (sometimes "un"). If it is within a word and it is not the last vowel it is pronounced as "er". If it is the last vowel it is pronounced as "ee", so the Welsh word for house "Ty" is pronounced "tea". A good test of this is Ynysybwl which you have to realise is a compound noun so really it is Ynys, Y and Bwl. Once you get your head around this it is really easy!! Moderators! We need a 'confused' button here! Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 As the general secretary of the Amalgamated Rivet Counters, Livery and Lettering Checker's, my members would like see a management proposal of a concrete date so that they can continue with their important pedantry work with out cause for any unnecessary industrial action. If you determine that the date should be 1st January 1923 then the Caledonian Railway will become a post-grouping company as it, along with the North Staffordshire Railway, didn't become part of the LMS until 1st July 1923 due to disputes over the shareholders compensation. ...... AND RULES ARE RULES!!! WE WILL FOLLOW THEM AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!! Pedant! Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 So why did they call the junction for the branch Stormstown? Easier to pronounce? Chris 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Some time ago, someone wrote to the Times about something described as being "more pedantic" - surely it was pedantic or not. Then came the reply that something with three instances of pedantry was more pedantic than something else with only two. Then the second correspondent was also wrong. Something is either pedantic or it isn't – regardless of the number of instances. One would have expected better from a reader of the Times! Telegraph yes, but not the Thunderer... Errm. We do seem to be straying into linguistic pedantry rather than the specifically rail-based variety... Edited September 11, 2017 by wagonman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'm sure that in pre-grouping times, your grasp of written English would have you in front of the headmaster, with your trousers down, awaiting a good caning. Or at the very least, extremely sore knuckles from your class teacher. I try. Now I have to pay for that sort of treatment! Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Welsh word for house "Ty" is pronounced "tea". Not by anyone Welsh it's not! And if they do they should be slapped about the face and returned to Ysgol Feithrin. The correct pronunciation of tŷ would be closer to rhyming with "Uurgh I stepped on a slug!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Miles Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Not by anyone Welsh it's not! And if they do they should be slapped about the face and returned to Ysgol Feithrin. The correct pronunciation of tŷ would be closer to rhyming with "Uurgh I stepped on a slug!" Are you a Gog or something else strange? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Moderators! We need a 'confused' button here! Jim Actually moderator we need to move this whole thread to somewhere like wheel tappers as it blatantly has nothing to do with Pre grouping and is going to do nothing more than drag the whole image of the pre grouping section into the realms of farce if it hasn't already. Oh your all going to say he's a miserable s-d and should get a life. Well funny enough I do have a life and its called pre grouping modeling and this thread does nothing to enhance that image or interest one bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 Are you a Gog or something else strange? We are all agog to find out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Actually moderator we need to move this whole thread to somewhere like wheel tappers as it blatantly has nothing to do with Pre grouping and is going to do nothing more than drag the whole image of the pre grouping section into the realms of farce if it hasn't already. Oh your all going to say he's a miserable s-d and should get a life. Well funny enough I do have a life and its called pre grouping modeling and this thread does nothing to enhance that image or interest one bit. With respect, nobody is forcing you to read this thread, or indeed any other... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 With respect, nobody is forcing you to read this thread, or indeed any other... That is true, but the thread is in the specific section for Special interest/ Pre-grouping and so far it has nothing to do with either but has turned into a ramble. Not a problem but really for off topic/wheeltappers not a modelling thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 And there was me thinking that we were just taking the p*** out of ourselves! or am I just pedantic? Marc 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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