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LNER Gresley Teak Coaches in O Gauge from Hatton's

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Hi all,

 

In the interest of making it easier to follow a specific project and provide feedback, I've separated the threads for each of our O Gauge projects.

 

If you're looking for the LNER Class A3 4-6-2 click HERE.

 

If you're looking for the LNER Class A4 4-6-2 click HERE.

 

And to kick things off in style for the Teaks, we've got the First EPs to show off, with all three diagrams available to view

 

Diagram 115 - Corridor Third

 

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Diagram 175 - Brake Corridor Composite

 

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Diagram 186 - Open Third

 

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As always, we'd love to hear your feedback and any questions you may have at this stage.

 

All versions of the Teaks are still available to pre-order for £249 each at THIS page on our website.

 

 

Cheers,

Dave

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They look really good, the only thing I would ask is to check the wheel flanges, I along with many others use 31.5mm turn outs and I've noticed on the Heljan GUV & MK1's that they are tight going through these points.

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They look really good! Cannot wait to see how you are painting the teak effect on.

 

Also are there any plans for restaurant cars? A dining triplet and a full brake for a Flying Scotsman rake would be rather compelling.

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You appear to be missing the cornice plates over the doors and the door vents should be tapered not flat as shown. Oddly the door handles should not be horizontal but at a slight angle.

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You are a very naughty man.

My first thoughts are to sell up everything and buy an A4 and a dozen of those and build a line round the garden,

Bernard

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Running video on Hattons Facebook page for the teaks this morning. No pointwork shown but looks like there no room for them on the test table lol.

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Looking good chaps !

A small point. The door hinges on the tumblehome need to stick out much further, to be in line with the upper two on the vertical part of the side. 

Can't wait to see these in teak.

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Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people!  How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long?  By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s?  Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on?

 

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Rich

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Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people!  How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long?  By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s?  Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on?

 

Cheers

Rich

 

By the mid-60s, there would have been very few left other than full brakes and buffets. I do recall travelling in one that was part of a Liverpool St - Parkestone Quay boat train in 1964.

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Appreciate this is a slight thread hi-jack, but a question about these Teaks to our more knowledgable people!  How long would the 'teak' version have lasted? Presumably only early 1950s if that long?  By the mid-1960s i'm also presuming there would have been few total rakes left, more one or two vehicles within a train of Mk1s?  Either way, what kind of services would they have been used on?

 

Cheers

Rich

Too large a topic to be properly addressed here but Joseph Pestell is correct in that the Buffets and Full Brakes lasted longest and both types were not restricted to former LNER routes.

 

As the Hattons models are of the later builds of Gresley teak carriages, with the TTO for example produced in substantial numbers, they lasted through the 1950s and many into the 1960s and wore the maroon livery. I remember them in use on the Liverpool Street-Norwich main line services in the mid-1960s, usually providing the 2nd class accommodation, and more so on secondary routes on services that had not yet been replaced by DMUs. Often called upon as strengtheners to a roster of otherwise BR standard stock and especially in demand for LCGB, RCTS and similar excursions.

 

A quick way to assess their spread and longevity is to browse the various albums of lines in your locality of interest - that way you can get an appreciation of types, liveries and uses.

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In 1962 I travelled on the Scottish Region TV train.It was apart from a BG used as a support coach entirely made up of Gresley Saloons except for the Buffet car which was a flush sided one built for pre war excursion sets

The train can be seen on Cinerails Railways of Scotland dvd Volume1 near the end on an excursion to Anstruther

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I think the query was how long they lasted in teak finish as opposed to being painted. If so I imagine most if not all such carriages would have been painted maroon by 1960 with full brakes and some catering cars getting blue and blue grey livery in the late 60s and early 70s.

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Hi all,

 

In the interest of making it easier to follow a specific project and provide feedback, I've separated the threads for each of our O Gauge projects.

 

If you're looking for the LNER Class A3 4-6-2 click HERE.

 

If you're looking for the LNER Class A4 4-6-2 click HERE.

 

And to kick things off in style for the Teaks, we've got the First EPs to show off, with all three diagrams available to view

 

Diagram 115 - Corridor Third

 

attachicon.gifTC115_EP1.jpg

 

attachicon.gifTC115_EP2.jpg

 

 

Diagram 175 - Brake Corridor Composite

 

attachicon.gifTC175_EP1.jpg

 

attachicon.gifTC175_EP2.jpg

 

 

Diagram 186 - Open Third

 

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As always, we'd love to hear your feedback and any questions you may have at this stage.

 

All versions of the Teaks are still available to pre-order for £249 each at THIS page on our website.

 

 

Cheers,

Dave

 

Good afternoon Dave,

 

The sides look a little flat to me. I think that that is for a number of reasons, the shape of the ventilators and the door hinges has been mentioned. I would add that the window surrounds are missing, this is important because it sets the glazing further back into the aperture, It would also make your job easier as regards glazing. I would also add that the drop lights should be set much further back in the side revealing the true thickness of the doors. At present they are on the same elevation as the upper panels. I would also question why the vertical beading is wider than the horizontal, has it been spaced out to accommodate the missing window surrounds? I hope this is seen as helpful rather than a moan.

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Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window.

Anyone have any views on this?

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Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window.

Anyone have any views on this?

 

You are quite right, there is something amiss in the general area of the droplights.

The horizontal cross rail beneath the vent bonnet is too thick/deep.

Hatton's would do well to study photo's, or better still measure the real thing.

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Interesting conversation with Hattons this morning - no plans to drop the price from £249 to something below the £200 mark due to the number of individual parts involved and the quantity being produced, which is understandable. But with other RTR coaches now around the £169, and Dapol having DCC lighting in their £199 version, I would have thought people, including me, would have expected more?

 

Also interesting that Hattons say there are no plans to include pre-fitted lighting as customer feedback indicates no demand for it - so are Dapol and Darstaed really providing an extra detail that nobody wants?

 

Rich

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On ‎01‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 14:14, Stephen 28 said:

Having had a good look at the Gresleys at Glasgow show,overall I am very impressed - they look the part. There is one aspect that does however strike me as wrong, the drop lights are far too shallow, appearing almost square whereas on the real coaches they are much deeper vertically, almost as deep as the main pane in the toilet window.

Anyone have any views on this?

I'd agree with you on these points. Also, there seem to be too many rivets on the solebar, especially above the bogies, for what is a welded underframe.

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Where’s the wood grain lol. Looking good so far. I’ll be interested how the teak finish compares to Hornbys original super detailed release. 

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And the door vent and droplight are unchanged too... the former is too deep and the latter too shallow:negative:

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They were all the same, as far as manually manufactured components can be.  They were made on the same jigs.

 

The rainstrips above the doors have also been omitted.

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