RMweb Premium Chamby Posted October 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2017 R3518 A3 "Gay Crusader" in 1947 condition appears to be arriving on retailers shelves now. Has anyone seen the actual model yet? I am interested to know what the green colour looks like - the graphic issued pre-issue looked more like malachite green than anything that came out of Doncaster or Darlington, so I would be grateful for some clarification before ordering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just a shame it wasn't painted in rainbow colours. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Is it an LGB model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2017 R3518 A3 "Gay Crusader" in 1947 condition appears to be arriving on retailers shelves now. Has anyone seen the actual model yet? I am interested to know what the green colour looks like - the graphic issued pre-issue looked more like malachite green than anything that came out of Doncaster or Darlington, so I would be grateful for some clarification before ordering. Rails have multiple angle views on their website which may help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Should look something like this: 108_Babworth_1947 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Looking at these photos. https://railsofsheffield.com/the-final-day-lner-4-6-2-gay-crusader-a3-class-locomotive-no-108-JJJA32427 The Loco still has the A3 Book Law "ski lift" front end , unpainted edges to front Bufferbeam, Tender lettering looks too high and perhaps slightly small as do the numbers. I has been mentioned in one review I have read that the Green is also showing through the numbers . The one in the pictures also has bent oil feeds and a slight bent handrail on the smokebox front edge. £150 err no chance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pom-pom Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Looking at these photos. https://railsofsheffield.com/the-final-day-lner-4-6-2-gay-crusader-a3-class-locomotive-no-108-JJJA32427 The Loco still has the A3 Book Law "ski lift" front end , unpainted edges to front Bufferbeam, Tender lettering looks too high and perhaps slightly small as do the numbers. I has been mentioned in one review I have read that the Green is also showing through the numbers . The one in the pictures also has bent oil feeds and a slight bent handrail on the smokebox front edge. £150 err no chance. Such a shame, so near yet so far. Smokebox handrails are bent upwards toward the front but at least it's the same angle as the frame 'ski-jump'. Nice to be consistent. Dome isn't attached very well in the Rails example either. I would think that Hornby have by now missed out on many A1/A3 sales since the assembly line issues started appearing. Really is a shame as otherwise it's a nice model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 LGBTQ+ please! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2017 LGBTQ+ please! I tried to get hold of the Rainbow class 66 but didn’t manage to. Now they huge prices on eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The right hand side tender lettering seems to be on an angle as well. Poor form Hornby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Though the prototype's prototype had "a disappointing record in stud"!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) What is going on with the tooling for the A3? Surely after Book Law, someone would have inspected the tooling for the running plate and made amendments. Have the magazines not picked this up at any point? I can appreciate that replacing tooling, or altering operation (is it simply a case of mould release temperature), costs money, but for a 'flagship' model (including variants of Flying Scotsman), it must be worth a little investment/attention. As Sanda Kan demonstrated it is possible to produce this model correctly and reliably for many years. Disappointed, but not personally worried - I've covered all my A3 bases with single and double chimney, Sanda Kan made 4472 models. But thinking of the wider community, including the next generation, this is a shame and I hope someone from Hornby is reading this; You CAN do it, just have to tell someone to take corrective action. Edited October 3, 2017 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I just got one, S/H but unused, part-exchange for some Peco trackwork for £40. I am very happy with it. The ski-jump effect, while not eliminated completely, is vastly improved over Book Law's Harrier-launching effort: it's been reduced to fractions of a millimetre. I can live with it and I'm fairly picky about this kind of thing. Similarly I don't have an issue with the number/lettering alignment on my example. So, while it's not exactly a return to the glory trilogy of Flying Fox / Great Northern / Gladiateur it is still far, far better than other recent examples. And it makes a nice companion to Bachmann's A2 Sugar Palm! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just a shame it wasn't painted in rainbow colours. It's got a tender behind though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep the Faith Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Disappointing to see the RMWeb forum users behaving like a bunch of sniggering schoolboys over the word "Gay". Grow up. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2018 Disappointing to see the RMWeb forum users behaving like a bunch of sniggering schoolboys over the word "Gay". Grow up. Yep fully agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Looking at these photos. https://railsofsheffield.com/the-final-day-lner-4-6-2-gay-crusader-a3-class-locomotive-no-108-JJJA32427 The Loco still has the A3 Book Law "ski lift" front end , unpainted edges to front Bufferbeam, Tender lettering looks too high and perhaps slightly small as do the numbers. I has been mentioned in one review I have read that the Green is also showing through the numbers . The one in the pictures also has bent oil feeds and a slight bent handrail on the smokebox front edge. £150 err no chance. I totally disagree. This model is a fantastic piece of RTR art, of a very interesting and attractive prototype from the post-war era, you will find wavy footplates in most A3 modela right from the start, if you look hard enough. They come more-or-less fully assembled, run sweetly, and are made mostly of plastic, most importantly, they look great. And now they are a little cheaper, I intend to buy one. Picture coming soon. (while I wait for a Stirling Single (also with some degree of ski jump possible) and Heljan BR 47XX (various similar issues). Of course if you insist on absolute perfection at under £150, good luck. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) I just got one, S/H but unused, part-exchange for some Peco trackwork for £40. I am very happy with it. The ski-jump effect, while not eliminated completely, is vastly improved over Book Law's Harrier-launching effort: it's been reduced to fractions of a millimetre. I can live with it and I'm fairly picky about this kind of thing. Similarly I don't have an issue with the number/lettering alignment on my example. So, while it's not exactly a return to the glory trilogy of Flying Fox / Great Northern / Gladiateur it is still far, far better than other recent examples. And it makes a nice companion to Bachmann's A2 Sugar Palm! That's more like it,but I would add that A1/A3 models have always had high tenders and droop cabs to some degree. Here are two mildly edited pics of early-LNER Sanda Kan 1470 and current A3 108. How can you have a selection of A3s without 'Gay Crusader'? Days of rationing, hardship, but bright colours after WW2. Edited August 7, 2018 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) of course if you insist on absolute perfection at under £150, good luck. Edited August 7, 2018 by DonnyRailMan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 That's more like it,but I would add that A1/A3 models have always had high tenders and droop cabs to some degree. Here are two mildly edited pics of early-LNER Sanda Kan 1470 and current A3 108. 1470_A1_LNER_Portrait1_3ab_r1200.jpg 108_A3_A1_portrait1_3abc_r1200.jpg How can you have a selection of A3s without 'Gay Crusader'? Days of rationing, hardship, but bright colours after WW2. Nice photos Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 The cylinders aren't lined in the Crusader photo either. Good luck if you to buy it , simply not good enough and should have been never put on sale after Book Law fiasco. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pom-pom Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 The cylinders aren't lined in the Crusader photo either. Good luck if you to buy it , simply not good enough and should have been never put on sale after Book Law fiasco. Lined cylinders with that Sir? I'm afraid we only do those as part of the Authenticity Upgrade Kit - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-X9561-Class-A1-A3-Loco-Cylinder-Block-/312109125076 ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Lined cylinders with that Sir? I'm afraid we only do those as part of the Authenticity Upgrade Kit - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-X9561-Class-A1-A3-Loco-Cylinder-Block-/312109125076 ;-) Nice! And while model is stripped for the fitting of the cylinders you can tweak the mouldings and joint-faces to remove any hint of ski-jump. There are some pics of A3s without obvious cylinder lining, 1947 era, Irwell p92, p.63 1948, p58 undated all apple green. Probably a trick of the light. I could wade into the RCTS book 2A but my tea would go cold... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Tweak , I "adjusted" my Book Law this involved far more than than a simple tweak I assure you !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On the other hand you could wait for Bachmann to produce it's own version LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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