RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 Time to make some decisions! Permanent way.... Both main lines - Worcester - Oxford and Bham - Gloucester - were CWR on concos, points and crossings on wood Loops still bullhead So some scope there for creative trackwork. But code 75 or 100? theres been a couple of threads on here looking at this and suggesting code 100 is perhaps better for CWR.... Theres also the issues of the two junctions. Their geometry really determines the topography of the track on the scenic part of the layout ..... do we stick with Peco - 5ft radius on large Y points isnt it? Or go for something even more gentle with Marcway....??? Need to see how it will work across baseboard joins too..... And would be good to get the wider ex broad gauge spacing at Norton too.... Will put some photos of prototype up later.... Phil 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 https://www.roco.cc/en/product/22679-0-0-0-0-0-0-005002003-0/products.html Could that be any good? It certainly looks longer than a Peco long radisu point to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I hope those photos were of use Phil! And I'm sure 'Don't Stop Me Now' would be an appropriate tune to play once you order the baseboards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 https://www.roco.cc/en/product/22679-0-0-0-0-0-0-005002003-0/products.html Could that be any good? It certainly looks longer than a Peco long radisu point to me. At the risk of starting a whole new trackwork thread, it's not just about radius, it's about the angle at the frog. Whatever the radius, Peco is always 12 degrees which looks wrong (because it is) and will seriously impact on the smooth curves that Phil needs to make this new Abbotswood/Norton work properly. For what it's worth, I think that he should look at using Peco Code 82FB with concrete sleepers for the running lines, Peco 75 BH for the loops and have some pointwork handmade to suit. That comes a bit pricey (unless he decides to d-i-y) but there are not so many points on the viewing side of the layout and it will make a huge difference to the finished layout. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thanks Joseph At least with a large radius Y point effectively that Peco frog angle is halved as each road effectively diverts from a projected straight line.... Possible no more than 10 points on visible area of layout - scratchbuilding would use too much time , any one any experience with Marcway? Rich - a lot of the extra length in the Roco point is effectively "dead" straight before the toe - do they do a Y?Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thanks Joseph At least with a large radius Y point effectively that Peco frog angle is halved as each road effectively diverts from a projected straight line.... Possible no more than 10 points on visible area of layout - scratchbuilding would use too much time , any one any experience with Marcway? Rich - a lot of the extra length in the Roco point is effectively "dead" straight before the toe - do they do a Y? Phil Andy Peters made some points for his Bitton layout. He got down to about one hour per point, I think, with no previous experience. Marcway are good and will make up to any specification you want, including curved diamonds. If, like me, you have not mastered Templot, someone here could prepare the templates for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2018 Time to make some decisions! Permanent way.... Both main lines - Worcester - Oxford and Bham - Gloucester - were CWR on concos, points and crossings on wood Loops still bullhead So some scope there for creative trackwork. But code 75 or 100? theres been a couple of threads on here looking at this and suggesting code 100 is perhaps better for CWR.... Theres also the issues of the two junctions. Their geometry really determines the topography of the track on the scenic part of the layout ..... do we stick with Peco - 5ft radius on large Y points isnt it? Or go for something even more gentle with Marcway....??? Need to see how it will work across baseboard joins too..... And would be good to get the wider ex broad gauge spacing at Norton too.... Will put some photos of prototype up later.... Phil Hi Phil Code 82 or 83 rail is the correct size for 4mm flat bottom rail. Which type of fixings did the mainline have? Peco do a Pandrol fixing, C&L do/did an ST fixing (common on points) and Colin Craig does the Mk1 and Mk2 base plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 Will get some photos out tonight Clive ...cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy stroud Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Hi Phil, You have such a nice collection of locos and stock, why don't you compliment it with some nice hand built pointwork to run it on. Copperclad is not that difficult and the end result will be worth the extra effort. The track will have a nice 'flow' to it, through the points. It should also be more reliable than the Pecos because they wont be relying on the point blades for electrical contact. Andy Edited August 31, 2018 by andy stroud 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thanks Joseph At least with a large radius Y point effectively that Peco frog angle is halved as each road effectively diverts from a projected straight line.... Possible no more than 10 points on visible area of layout - scratchbuilding would use too much time , any one any experience with Marcway? Rich - a lot of the extra length in the Roco point is effectively "dead" straight before the toe - do they do a Y? Phil Hi Phil, Hope all is well. If you get me the point template or do it on templot I can knock some points up for you buddy. In return maybe a little cake or a famous millionaire shortbread Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 Cheers Mark PM heading your way! Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) So heading back up the thread to page 4 Clive you very kindly gave me the definitve info on the track.....and Mark, I have those sleepers you kindly sent me So some trial tracklaying this weekend methinks Andy - thanks for the comments re the stock, thats exactly what we want to aim for! Theres a cut and shut BFK on the workbench at the moment something else for this weekend, waiting for the blue Bachmann car flats to go with it.... Phil Edited August 31, 2018 by Phil Bullock 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2018 If you're building your own track, you might as well go the whole hog and go EM. Mike. (I didn't say that, it was the big boys wot made me do it.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 20, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2019 Oh gosh is it 6 months since I posted on here? Projects have been going on in the background - stock now includes the 2 x 5 freightliners for 4S87 and 4S88, and the BFK for the motorail rake is finished along with 3 x FKs renumbered and running on B1 bogies and an RU - all weathered and waiting completion of the car flats which are currently with Jimbo for minor backdating and removal of TOPs wagon IDs. More wagons also weathered.... But look what the postie delivered today... Many thanks to the excellent team at Narrow Planet... So theres an incentive to get going Phil 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 And the incentive for us is that hopefully they'll be some more lovely millionaires shortbread! Is there likely to be anything happening a month or two down the line Phil? Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 21, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2019 Depends on my finding time to engage with the baseboard builders Liam. I hope so but work is chaos at the moment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted February 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: 33 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: finding time to engage with the baseboard builders Blimey! How big are you planning to make the millionaires shortbread Phil?? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 21, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2019 How does 27ft x 10ft sound Colin? SWMBO is gonna need a bigger oven! Phil 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted February 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: How does 27ft x 10ft sound Colin? SWMBO is gonna need a bigger oven! Phil Brill. Will they be EM too? 18mm thick rather than 16.5 will give a nice extra crunch...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2019 Getting nowhere fast with custom build open topped boards with all cross members at the correct height for scenery to go straight on. Largely due to me having no time to engage with possible builders! So thinking of alternative - flat topped boards with scenery built up with insulation foam as per Black Country Blues Any experience out there with that method please? Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kier Hardy Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 21/02/2019 at 09:10, Phil Bullock said: Depends on my finding time to emgauge with the baseboard builders Liam. I hope so but work is chaos at the moment. FTFY Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2019 Hee hee if ever there was an appropriate spull chicker escape that has to be it..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, Kier Hardy said: FTFY Phil I can well imagine converting over 100 locos and 250 items of rolling stock to EM being chaos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 29, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Enough thinking and waffling - time for some action. Norton Junctions up starters were originally next to the bridge but were relocated further back ... the distant was until recently one of the last two working under a home on the same post. https://images.app.goo.gl/N6KFPRFQg5oiyULQ8 The distant is Gloucester Panels - motor driven - but on our model it will be Abbotswood's distant and wont have a motor on the doll So got this far tonight Reckon that deserves a pint! Edited October 29, 2019 by Phil Bullock Text added 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Now that looks a nice porter Phil, reminds me of this. Black Fire by Towcester Brewery. Great taste, even if it was over a year past its use by date.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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