RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 I go away for a few days and come back to this, fantastic. Keep up the good work. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trev52A Posted October 22, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Three more... D1054 Western Governor pauses at Exeter SD before heading west on 2nd June 1973 D1059 Western Empire leaves Cornwall with the up 'Cornish Riviera Ltd' on 11th July 1970: I had travelled from Truro and alighted at Plymouth. Eagle-eyed readers may have spotted the waist-high destination/name boards on some of the coaches, a practice peculiar to the Western Region at the time (I think.) D1061 Western Envoy rattles through Par on 30th May 1974 with a train of liquid china clay tanks for Sittingbourne, which it would work as far as Acton yard. Trevor Edited to include correct information re D1061's train. Edited October 23, 2017 by Trev52A 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 D1061 I don't think they are milk tanks Trev they look like the Clayliner Tanks which were painted blue. Cheers GARETH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Agreed. That's the Burngullow to Sittingbourne "Clayfreighter" that started running in 1967 and ended in 1985. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 D1061 I don't think they are milk tanks Trev they look like the Clayliner Tanks which were painted blue. Cheers GARETH Agreed. That's the Burngullow to Sittingbourne "Clayfreighter" that started running in 1967 and ended in 1985. Brilliant! That's just the sort of info I am looking for. I will change the reference to milk tanks. So are the Clayliner tanks for some sort of liquid clay? (Pardon my ignorance!) Cheers Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Brilliantly composed photos Trevor, thanks for posting. D1030 and 50044 looks like the Western is on a rescue mission _ always a pleasure to see especially for die hard Hydraulic fans. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Until I saw the picture of Par, I had never realised that the Goods Loop had once been connected to the mainline. Top right,behind the vans sat in the loop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Brilliant! That's just the sort of info I am looking for. I will change the reference to milk tanks. So are the Clayliner tanks for some sort of liquid clay? (Pardon my ignorance!) Cheers Trevor Liquid China Clay is used in the printing process hence the service to Sittingbourne where there was a large paper mill. Excellent pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Liquid China Clay is used in the printing process hence the service to Sittingbourne where there was a large paper mill. Excellent pictures. It's one of several products used to give a smooth finish to paper and board for things like magazines; it would be very difficult to print without this, as the surface would be so uneven. Whilst people tend to think of ceramics as the principal market for china clay, more is probably consumed in the paper and board industry- even today, there is a regular block train of slurry from Antwerpen to Irvine for the board mill there. The clay tanks from Cornwall to Sittingbourne formed one of BR's very first air-braked Company trains; the wagons were manufactured by Rootes Pressings at Linwood, more usually associated with the Hillman Imp. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesg Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Hi Trevor, What a fantastic collection of photographs! Thanks a lot for sharing. One that really stands out to me is D1036 at Exeter on 29th May 1975, with the conversation between the driver and staff on the platform, and all the little details like semaphore signals and the old parcels trolley (there's a more modern one in the background). I can use it to justify running lots of pristine stock on my layout; the railcar on the other platform looks freshly painted as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 It's one of several products used to give a smooth finish to paper and board for things like magazines; it would be very difficult to print without this, as the surface would be so uneven. Whilst people tend to think of ceramics as the principal market for china clay, more is probably consumed in the paper and board industry- even today, there is a regular block train of slurry from Antwerpen to Irvine for the board mill there. The clay tanks from Cornwall to Sittingbourne formed one of BR's very first air-braked Company trains; the wagons were manufactured by Rootes Pressings at Linwood, more usually associated with the Hillman Imp. I seem to recall that the running of these tanks was the reason for the first diesel electrics with air brakes to run in Cornwall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Thanks to everyone for chipping in with the information on the liquid china clay tanks, as seen on my pic of D1061 earlier. Before I alter the caption, may I just add one more question - how far did the Western work the train? Presumably there would be a change of loco to its final destination in Kent? Thanks in advance Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trev52A Posted October 22, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2017 Getting very near the end of the different 'Westerns' that I photographed, now. Here are four more... D1063 Western Monitor skirts the sea wall near Teignmouth with an up express on 31st May 1975. You can almost hear the seagulls! Despite the headcode, D1065 Western Consort has just arrived at Didcot on 26th May 1975 with a passenger train for the west - in fact I had travelled on it from Paddington. My only picture of a 'Western' in maroon livery - an early (basic 127-film camera) shot of D1068 Western Reliance at Paddington on 23rd April 1965. Now I understand why these locos had such a reputation for good looks! On a family holiday with relatives in Hertfordshire, it was easy to travel in to London to visit the main terminus stations. Waterloo was my favourite - steam everywhere! Kings Cross didn't offer much more than I was used to at home on Tyneside ('Baby Deltics' excepted). Paddington offered exotic locos such as 'Westerns' to cop. Strange to think now that when I took this picture, the last 'Western' to enter traffic (D1029) was still less than one year old! D1069 Western Vanguard catches the evening sun at Plymouth with a parcels (presumably) train for the east on 27th May 1975. One more batch to follow plus a puzzle picture, then a catch-up with some other 'Westerns' that didn't make the first round. Trevor 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Thanks to everyone for chipping in with the information on the liquid china clay tanks, as seen on my pic of D1061 earlier. Before I alter the caption, may I just add one more question - how far did the Western work the train? Presumably there would be a change of loco to its final destination in Kent? Thanks in advance Trevor Yes - Acton yard - was always 33 worked to/from Sittingbourne. The return departed about 18:15 and was generally MO ISTR Edited October 23, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernglory Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Getting very near the end of the different 'Westerns' that I photographed, now. Here are four more... 030(1014c) D1063 Western Monitor nr Teignmouth 31may75 (T Ermel).jpg D1063 Western Monitor skirts the sea wall near Teignmouth with an up express on 31st May 1975. You can almost hear the seagulls! 031(299b) D1065 Didcot 26-5-75 (T Ermel).jpg Despite the headcode, D1065 Western Consort has just arrived at Didcot on 26th May 1975 with a passenger train for the west - in fact I had travelled on it from Paddington. 032(801bS) D1068 Paddington 23-4-65 (Trevor Ermel).jpg My only picture of a 'Western' in maroon livery - an early (basic 127-film camera) shot of D1068 Western Reliance at Paddington on 23rd April 1965. Now I understand why these locos had such a reputation for good looks! On a family holiday with relatives in Hertfordshire, it was easy to travel in to London to visit the main terminus stations. Waterloo was my favourite - steam everywhere! Kings Cross didn't offer much more than I was used to at home on Tyneside ('Baby Deltics' excepted). Paddington offered exotic locos such as 'Westerns' to cop. Strange to think now that when I took this picture, the last 'Western' to enter traffic (D1029) was still less than one year old! 033(306bS) D1069 Plymouth 27-5-75 (T Ermel).jpg D1069 Western Vanguard catches the evening sun at Plymouth with a parcels (presumably) train for the east on 27th May 1975. One more batch to follow plus a puzzle picture, then a catch-up with some other 'Westerns' that didn't make the first round. Trevor Trevor, Really enjoying seeing these photos. D1069 on 4A13 is the 1445 Penzance Paddington perishables, a long standing Thousand hauled train in the west country.....Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trev52A Posted October 23, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) My last three - or is it four? - individual 'Western' photos: Glad so many people seem to enjoy them! The tide is out at Cockwood harbour, near Starcross, as D1070 Western Gauntlet passes with an up express on 30th May 1975 The road is set for the Newquay branch as D1071 Western Renown enters Par station with a train from Paddington on 30th May 1974 I always associated 'Westerns' with the seaside - here, D1072 Western Glory skirts the estuary of the river Teign on the approach to Teignmouth station with an up express. It was definitely D1072 - I made a note of the name as a double-check as it went past. And now, a bit of a puzzle: I took this shot at Paddington on 26th May 1975 (prior to travelling on a different train to Didcot hauled by D1065) and noted it down inexplicably as D1075. Now, unless Crewe built a couple of extras which did not appear on the official lists (unlikely!) then I have obviously made a mistake. Unfortunately I did not note the name as well (d'oh). The best explanation is that I transposed the last two numbers and it was really D1057. I have no pictures of D1057 to check against. So, does anyone have a similar view of D1057 taken around this time to compare, please? Or maybe some 'Western' expert can tell just by the rust patches, etc, on the front. I await any reply with interest! Well, that's all the individual locos covered which I managed to photograph but there are lots more to show. I'll make a start sorting out some others soon. Cheers Trevor Additional info: following a suggestion by Neil/Downendian and my subsequent cross-checking of pictures, the loco at Paddington is definitely confirmed as D1070 Western Gauntlet (see post #67) and not D1057 as I had hoped. Edited November 24, 2017 by Trev52A 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Great shots once again Trev, superb just about covers it! I'd say that's definitely D1057 at Padd above, the state of the front end matches plenty of other shots of it at the time. It's also a fab picture of my beloved Padd! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Great Trev Just pure magic Cheers Gareth Edited October 23, 2017 by TEDDYBEAR D9521 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Great shots once again Trev, superb just about covers it! I'd say that's definitely D1057 at Padd above, the state of the front end matches plenty of other shots of it at the time. It's also a fab picture of my beloved Padd! I'd love to see a shot of the 'real' D1057 to compare - in which case I would have pics of 37 individual locos out of 74 - exactly half. Cheers for that, Rug. Trevor Edited October 23, 2017 by Trev52A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D860 VICTORIOUS Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Seagulls,a couple of nautical types,the background houses,and Western Glory-a magnificent photo... Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Here are some of the others, no particular order this time... D1010 Western Campaigner at Newton Abbot on 29th May 1974. Can anyone explain the pronounced discolouring at the front end? D1046 Western Marquis approaching Teignmouth from the west on 30th May 1975 D1063 Western Monitor at Exeter SD on 30th May 1975 alongside a train for Waterloo via Salisbury behind 33029 More to come.. Trevor 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 These three were all in Devon in 1975... D1052 Western Viceroy heads east at the classic location at Teignmouth on 31st May 1975 D1070 Western Gauntlet enters Devon off the Royal Albert Bridge on 28th May 1975 A nicely clean D1071 Western Renown, light engine at Plymouth on 27th May 1975 Trevor 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 A question for 'Western' fans - what's that square box structure on the cab front of D1071, below the handrail? It appears on both my pics of this loco in 1974 and 1975. Some sort of ventilator? Cheers Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernglory Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 A question for 'Western' fans - what's that square box structure on the cab front of D1071, below the handrail? It appears on both my pics of this loco in 1974 and 1975. Some sort of ventilator? Cheers Trevor You've answered your own question Trevor. It is a cab ventilator. Locos fitted were D1012, D1028, D1039, D1056 and D1071. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 After a crappy day what a topic to come across, so many well-composed images and some great references to shabby Westerns that I'll come back to for weathering references. In a couple of pages you've offered more of interest image-wise than most books on the subject. Thank you Trevor! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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