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Not sure if this helps, but here's an old map grab of Whitby

 

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WIll be there for a week soon, so if you want any photos

 

Wonderful old maps!

 

Anthony - Have you tried the National Collection of Aerial Photography in Edinburgh? https://ncap.org.uk There is nothing showing online when I put ‘Whitby’ in the search but, when I was researching Lairg Station and Brickworks in Sutherland, NCAP advised me they had boxes of aerial photographs which will take years to scan and they only put a selection on the website. Although the aerial photos, when zoomed in, are a bit fuzzy, it has helped us identify some of the key structures. Always worthwhile enquiring?

 

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Wonderful old maps!

 

Anthony - Have you tried the National Collection of Aerial Photography in Edinburgh? https://ncap.org.uk There is nothing showing online when I put ‘Whitby’ in the search but, when I was researching Lairg Station and Brickworks in Sutherland, NCAP advised me they had boxes of aerial photographs which will take years to scan and they only put a selection on the website. Although the aerial photos, when zoomed in, are a bit fuzzy, it has helped us identify some of the key structures. Always worthwhile enquiring?

 

Marlyn

 

Thank you, I will take a look, but I doubt the photos would be able to get so close to ground to see line side huts ( which whtby had a few / all different sizes / shapes )

 

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You get the idea in this shot, normal line side hut one side and completely different rounded edge hut next door, Sorry for my over size finger...

 

Other news signals are almost completed ..

 

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I remember one and a half of them as platform three was lifted in the 50s I believe 

 

Weren't the tracks too close together so they could use one or the other so lifting one made sense.

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I remember one and a half of them as platform three was lifted in the 50s I believe 

Platform 4  ;)  I believe it was renumbered to platform 3 after one of the bays got lifted in 56/57 ? and platform 4 signal was preposition in front of WT box.

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Weren't the tracks too close together so they could use one or the other so lifting one made sense.

Interesting not heard that before, Ive not got any photos of two locos sat next to each other in the bays, but I do have parcels vans or fish vans sitting in platform 4's bay with a bay 3 sitting with 3/4 coach train.

 

Maybe it was used more as station siding for loading ?

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Interesting not heard that before, Ive not got any photos of two locos sat next to each other in the bays, but I do have parcels vans or fish vans sitting in platform 4's bay with a bay 3 sitting with 3/4 coach train.

 

Maybe it was used more as station siding for loading ?

 

Can't remember where I heard/saw it, thought it was in Ken Hoole's terminus book.

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Amongst the traffic seen at Whitby, at least into the late 1960s/early 1970s was steel plate in Plate wagons for a local ship builder/repairer. I have seen a photo of a wooden-bodied Long Low (LMS-built) at Whitby, taken in the very late 1960s.

Do you read minds ? Would not mind seeing the photo though you talk about.

 

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Can't remember where I heard/saw it, thought it was in Ken Hoole's terminus book.

 

I'll have to double check and get my reading glasses on, Thank you!

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There are a couple of photos on Page 63 of 'Working Wagons- volume 1 1968-73' by David Larkin. One is a late -surviving ex LMS Long Low, as modelled by Chivers Finelines, another is a BR-built fitted one. There were at least two other Plates with these.

I would imagine Whitby's fishing fleet would have justified a couple of black tank wagons on the quayside. I'm not sure if motor fuel was dealt with, as this about the time that larger depots, dealing with at least half-a-dozen tank wagons at a time, started to be built. Previously, petrol-carrying tanks were unloaded by siphoning via the top hatch, often into 'jerry-cans'.

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There are a couple of photos on Page 63 of 'Working Wagons- volume 1 1968-73' by David Larkin. One is a late -surviving ex LMS Long Low, as modelled by Chivers Finelines, another is a BR-built fitted one. There were at least two other Plates with these.

I would imagine Whitby's fishing fleet would have justified a couple of black tank wagons on the quayside. I'm not sure if motor fuel was dealt with, as this about the time that larger depots, dealing with at least half-a-dozen tank wagons at a time, started to be built. Previously, petrol-carrying tanks were unloaded by siphoning via the top hatch, often into 'jerry-cans'.

I will have find a copy, Thank you!

 

Tankers are one of lest seen in any photograph I've found / seen at whitby, I'm in the same mind that their would of been a few laying around.

 

BP used to own a garage on station square, and I'm sure I've seen a photo of 2 'BP' Tankers lined up in the sidings nearest the town.

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Platform 3 was missing until the end of the real station in September 1984

Im sure I heard somewhere that platform 3 was only suitable for shorter pre nationalisation stock

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I remember those signals as well, they were both ‘planted’ in No.1 platform. No.20 being almost in the middle (width-wise)

As to platforms 3 and 4, there was a restriction on Mark 1 coaches using those platforms – you couldn’t put Mark 1s into either if the other was occupied. I guess they were OK for 57ft stock.

This from BR Standard Coaching Stock restrictions (1961)

Whitby Station.

If on No. 3 Platform Line, No. 4 Platform Line to be blocked, and vice versa.

 

Platform 3 was still there in mid-1959 according to a dated photo in one of John Hunt’s Past and Present books on the NYMR.

I don’t think platform 4 was renumbered to 3, My sketch of Town signal box diagram made in the 1970’s shows it as 4.

Platform 4 seemed rarely used in later days; my memory suggests dated and Sunday services?

 

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I remember those signals as well, they were both ‘planted’ in No.1 platform. No.20 being almost in the middle (width-wise)

As to platforms 3 and 4, there was a restriction on Mark 1 coaches using those platforms – you couldn’t put Mark 1s into either if the other was occupied. I guess they were OK for 57ft stock.

This from BR Standard Coaching Stock restrictions (1961)

Whitby Station.

If on No. 3 Platform Line, No. 4 Platform Line to be blocked, and vice versa.

 

Platform 3 was still there in mid-1959 according to a dated photo in one of John Hunt’s Past and Present books on the NYMR.

I don’t think platform 4 was renumbered to 3, My sketch of Town signal box diagram made in the 1970’s shows it as 4.

Platform 4 seemed rarely used in later days; my memory suggests dated and Sunday services?

 

Stuart

Maybe local Sunday summer services ? Their was regular miners train most weekends from middlesbrough. Which was formed of suburban stock.

 

Look what I found, The gap looked tight ...

 

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My memories are 1967 onwards (I can just remember my mother buying me a ticket at Lealholm station and putting me on a green DMU to be picked up by Father in Middlesbrough).

The dated services I remember would have been 1740-ish to Newcastle and 2109 SO Middlesbrough, both of which were limited stop after Grosmont.

On Sundays, there was quite a gap between the last arrival and first departure of the three trains so the shortest might have gone into 4 (no carriage sidings at Bog Hall by then).

That second photo in your post is the scene I was trying to envisage in my mind (having walked down that platform over a thousand times) about the platform number signs – so thank you! Memory jogged.

I also think the chap on the left, pushing the barrow, was the regular porter/escort/minder on the school train. His face, I can see, but his name…….

Maybe local Sunday summer services ? Their was regular miners train most weekends from middlesbrough. Which was formed of suburban stock.

 

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Not sure if this helps, but here's an old map grab of Whitby

 

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WIll be there for a week soon, so if you want any photos

 

That's interesting just noticed there appears to be some railway on the south bank of the Esk?

 

Many year ago there was a trial ironstone mine on the north bank in this vicinity which consisted of a shaft but was not a success and filled in

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That's interesting just noticed there appears to be some railway on the south bank of the Esk?

 

Many year ago there was a trial ironstone mine on the north bank in this vicinity which consisted of a shaft but was not a success and filled in

 

Internal tramway for the shipyard, unfortunately there was never a bridge over to that side of the river (apart from when building Larpool viaduct), a goods only branch over there would make an interesting layout though...

 

https://maps.nls.uk/view/125625244

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