Identify these locos, please

[Ruston]

Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50

Can someone please identify the loco on the right.

 

And I bought this photo from ebay a while ago. There is no information on the back, so can anyone identify the loco or even the maker as it's a type I don't recognise at all.

 

[Nick Holliday]

Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50

Can someone please identify the loco on the right.

 

As the caption notes, the loco on the right is Irwell, a Hudswell Clarke tank. Currently dismantled, full details are provided elsewhere on the website.

[Andy Kirkham]

 

 

And I bought this photo from ebay a while ago. There is no information on the back, so can anyone identify the loco or even the maker as it's a type I don't recognise at all.

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The way the smokebox barrel projects beyond the saddle seems quite unusual, and I've seen it in some products of the Yorkshire Engine Co.

[Adam]

I reckon the loco in your posted picture is a Bagnall, perhaps one of those built for the Butterley Company - examples included 2607 of 1939 (Denby Colliery) or 2619 of 1940 (Ollerton Colliery) - the features check out and resemble the preserved Hawarden though that had cut down boiler fittings: note the shape of the buffer beams, coupling hook pocket and cab cut outs for example. The smokebox door is presumably a replacement?

 

Adam

[Osgood]

Pretty sure it's a Kerr Stuart MOSS BAY class loco - some of this class were produced later under Bagnall jurisdiction.

 

I'm thrown by the supports under the tank midway along, also the shape of the slide bar brackets - maybe this is a Bagnall variant?

Edited November 17, 2017 by Osgood

[Adam]

Pretty sure it's a Kerr Stuart MOSS BAY class loco - some of this class were produced later under Bagnall jurisdiction.

 

I'm thrown by the supports under the tank midway along, also the shape of the slide bar brackets - maybe this is a Bagnall variant?

 

Going on the pictures in the Baker and Civil volume, I would agree that said supports and slide bars are features of the Bagnall development of the Moss Bay design of which Hawarden is the only survivor (I think?). Which it is, however, I've no idea.

 

Adam

[rope runner]

Definitely a Bagnall. I'd suggest this is WB2590/1938 at Wern Tarw Colliery.

 

Paul A.

[2mm Andy]

Whilst looking for the build date of Black Hawthorn Wellington I googled this page - http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=wellington&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50

Can someone please identify the loco on the right.

 

 

As someone else has mentioned, it's Irwell, a 'Coronation' class Hudswell Clarke;

 

http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/index.php?mact=LISETRLocomotives,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01item=irwell&cntnt01category=overhaul&cntnt01id_hierarchy=2&cntnt01template_category=hierarchy&cntnt01returnid=50

 

Chris at High Level Kits does one in 4mm;

 

http://173.254.28.51/~highlev3/chris/Pages/hudswellpage.html

 

Andy

[br2975]

The background buildings do appear to be NCB Wern Tarw, which was set in 'the wilds' behind Pencoed, 

.

Brian R

[Ruston]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

 

2mm Andy - I thought it may have been the Hudswell that is the subject of the High Level kit.

[Respite]

Definitely Wern Tarw Colliery.