daz9284 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Hi all, a quick question. I have both a small tin of humbrol gloss varnish and also a jar of humbrol gloss cote. why question - what's the difference? Is the 'cote' a thinner version of the varnish as it is no where near as thick as the tinned varnish? I guess the gloss cote can't be used on very unevern surfaces as it will 'pond' in the dips? many thanks Darryl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 DON'T use Humbrol gloss Varnish it will turn white and mess your paintwork up. Check out on here about Humbrol paints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2017 Indeed just don't use Humbrol full stop. Matt paint that (eventually) dries anything but matt are among the most common complaints... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazynitwit Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I personally haven't had any issues with them but they can be quite thick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2017 I've had issues with Matt Black drying gloss and Matt Varnish drying white. I gave up buying Humbrol if the tin said Made in China. I don't know what the current production is like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2017 I too had issues with a bauxite painted van that did not turn out anything like matt and was a poor finish; I used to have a very high regard for Humbrol paints and still use their acrylics, along with Tamiya, but have given up on enamels of any make. I found Railmatch disappointing as well, though the colour, BR Carmine in this case, was good. I don't like gloss finishes on models anyway and cover with matt clear varnish (Humbrol acrylic) any such that I find, mostly Oxford road vehicles. It is my personal view (other personal views, and other persons, are available) that, in the 12 inch to the foot world very few surfaces appear glossy when viewed from anything more than about 20 feet away, and that a gloss or high gloss finish has no place on a model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Hi all thanks for the replies, I have never had any issues with any of my humbrol paints. however, whats the difference between the 'varnish' and the 'cote'? regards darryl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I always use Testors aerosol DulCote and GlossCote, I've had very good results. I wouldn't use a brush on varnish. Just using some Humbrol Enamel today, seems good - mind you, it's an old tin. I used some Humbrol acrylic some while ago and was dismayed when, after I masked an area, the paint came off with the tape. The pot was "Made in China". Haven't had any of the newer stuff made in UK. My go to brand for standard colours is Tamiya. PollyS acrylic was excellent but the idiots at Testors discontinued the range. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Gloss varnish is an enamel based varnish likely to yellow with age. Gloss cote is an acrylic based clear varnish. Edited November 28, 2017 by N15class 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Gloss varnish is an enamel based varnish likely to yellow with age. Gloss vote is an acrylic based clear varnish. Shame there isn't a button to click for "fantastic effort - the first answer to the actual question asked!!" so I clicked "like" instead daz9284 - glad you asked this. I've been meaning to ask the same for ages..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 To slightly hijack this thread, I've received some "Precision Decals" decals for Arriva Trains Wales multiple units. The instruction state to use only Johnson's Kleer, applied by airbrush. I don't posses an airbrush so what do I do? Any (polite) answers gratefully accepted Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseHead Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Put it on with a brush, it doesn't need to be airbrushed at all (and in fact cleaning the airbrush is a faff after spraying it, so I usually resort to a hairy stick). Just be aware a little goes a very long way, so don't overload the brush - it seems almost like water when applied, and will run almost as much. You can clean the brush afterwards in soap and water but to do it properly you really need to rinse in household ammonia (windo cleaner might work, depends on the variety). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Thanks for that reassurance, Loosehead Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 DON'T use Humbrol gloss Varnish it will turn white and mess your paintwork up. Check out on here about Humbrol paints. "it will turn white and mess your paintwork up" Any make/type of enamel varnish can end up "ghosting or blooming", especially if it's airbrushed in unsuitable conditions - high humidity / dampness / cold etc, another cause of problems is using quick drying thinners normally used for colours, these should not be used to spray varnish, hence Phoenix Precision Paints supply enamel varnish thinners for the purpose, although normal white spirit will do the same job, and is cheaper. I've sprayed/brushed Humbrol enamels including varnishes for many years, without no issues so far............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 "it will turn white and mess your paintwork up" Any make/type of enamel varnish can end up "ghosting or blooming", especially if it's airbrushed in unsuitable conditions - high humidity / dampness / cold etc, another cause of problems is using quick drying thinners normally used for colours, these should not be used to spray varnish, hence Phoenix Precision Paints supply enamel varnish thinners for the purpose, although normal white spirit will do the same job, and is cheaper. I've sprayed/brushed Humbrol enamels including varnishes for many years, without no issues so far............. But is the Humbrol you have come from china , I've got some old Humbrol Enamels from 20 years back they are fine. Had no problem with Railmatch varnish or Phoenix Precision paints. The Humbrol varnish was put on with a brush from the tin on to transfers. i will never use Humbrol Enamels again it's not worth the risk . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I always use Testors aerosol DulCote and GlossCote, I've had very good results. I wouldn't use a brush on varnish. Just using some Humbrol Enamel today, seems good - mind you, it's an old tin. I used some Humbrol acrylic some while ago and was dismayed when, after I masked an area, the paint came off with the tape. The pot was "Made in China". Haven't had any of the newer stuff made in UK. My go to brand for standard colours is Tamiya. PollyS acrylic was excellent but the idiots at Testors discontinued the range. John Testors replaced PollyS some time ago (10+yrs) with Acryl. The US railroad Acryl colour range was discontinued (as was Floquil) but Acryl general and military colours continue. I think Acryl is very good and passes a thumb-nail scratch test better than Vallejo. Vallejo is also attacked by IPA which Acryl is not..... My other favourite acrylic is Modelflex from Badger which does still do US railroad colors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2017 I've successfully used an artists Soluble Acrylic Matt Varnish from Daler-Rowney. I've still got a large bottle my son bought about 15 years ago, so I don't know if it matches the current formula. It is spirit based and if it starts to thicken in the bottle a few drops of white spirit freshens it up. It goes on very thinly and can be brushed successfully as long as you don't load the brush too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 To slightly hijack this thread, I've received some "Precision Decals" decals for Arriva Trains Wales multiple units. The instruction state to use only Johnson's Kleer, applied by airbrush. I don't posses an airbrush so what do I do? Any (polite) answers gratefully accepted Tim T You wont get the orginal Johnsonsal Klear in the shops anymore but Alclad Gloss is the same thing I use that now along with their Matt and Satin Varnishes and they come up a treat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX4GbKANQeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) You wont get the orginal Johnsonsal Klear in the shops anymore but Alclad Gloss is the same thing I use that now along with their Matt and Satin Varnishes and they come up a treat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX4GbKANQeg The presently available formulation of Klear appears to work just as well........................ Edited November 30, 2017 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Gloss varnish is an enamel based varnish likely to yellow with age. Gloss cote is an acrylic based clear varnish. thank you very much for the reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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