classy52 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Hi all, Quite a few people seem to have found the "Classic Traction" formation list to be quite interesting and useful so I've put together a version showing some more "Modern Traction". Formation diagrams RHTT part 2-01.png This isn't a complete list but should give a good idea of what you're likely to see around the network during leaf fall season. Cheers, Dave Hi Dave or Anyone, Just wanted to find out how you create those graphical train formations that you publish on your website & here on RMWEB i.e. your recent RHTT formations and others found in modelling magazines. Is there specific software to do this which is available to the public? Cheers Steve Edited December 1, 2017 by classy52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The train formations show why these models should be very popular. One class 20 haul not mentioned was the one year EWS had the contract for the North East and operated 20s in the triple grey livery http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brclass20/e3cbeb08f The means of fuelling the 20s was also noteworthy (and modellable) http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/road/e2bb3da71 Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Only problem is the sound file includes the mpv too, you'd only need the generator and water sounds. I'd say a 66 or loco of choice file with a water jet add on would be better. Something to suggest to Biff now? I think I'll go for lightly weathered so the 66's don't need to be totally brown To that end how heavy is the weathering you are offering going to be Dave? From observation, anyone going for the heavily "weathered" option will need their 66s done in a specific RHTT style - medium at outer ends and almost obliterated at the inner. John Edited November 30, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Pre-ordered a set myself. The real version running out of Inverness has a single 67 (007 pretty much solidly for last two seasons) so will be a very model-able train. Given the costs and effort to kit build this, the price is very good indeed. Congratulations to Hattons for this release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2017 Pre-ordered a set myself. The real version running out of Inverness has a single 67 (007 pretty much solidly for last two seasons) so will be a very model-able train. Given the costs and effort to kit build this, the price is very good indeed. Congratulations to Hattons for this release Ah good. I didn't think I'd imagined a non top-and-tailed set running in Scotland... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I'll be pre-ordering one of these once I've ascertained which one would be most suited to a central Scottish layout in the fall of 2007. I think that DRS may have operated the Scottish RHTT trains that year, but I'm not sure. One question though, what factors determine whether or not sandite is used? That is, I'm assuming that some circuits use sandite, whilst others just use water jets, which explains the two different twin wagon packs. I'm tempted by the option of a heavily weathered set (a bit more than the Hatton's version), but the only issue is that it effectively means dedicating two locomotives to this one train, as I've never seen such filthy locomotives on any other service. As such, I suspect that it will have to be a lightly weathered look from the start of the circuit so that I don't have to commit two locomotives to a train which should only make an occasional appearance. It is however good to know that a single locomotive set is not unknown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 One of the benefits of doing our current IS version is that due to no loco on the rear, 67007 has remained fairly clean each year. Same can’t be said for the wagons though. The set on 3S95 ( the IS one) is a water jet one so doesn’t have the Sandite module on it. IIRC, around the early to mid 2000s we had TnT DRS 66s on the circuit. Remember seeing 412/413 on it regularly. It’s been EWS/DB for a good few years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leavesontheline Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So that it doesn't short out the track when you put it on? Well, erm yes! But that is a given with any model surely, so why point it out I wonder? And why "1 wheel insulated" but not both, unless there are plans for electrical pickup from the axle for something? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2017 I'm tempted by the option of a heavily weathered set (a bit more than the Hatton's version), but the only issue is that it effectively means dedicating two locomotives to this one train, as I've never seen such filthy locomotives on any other service. As such, I suspect that it will have to be a lightly weathered look from the start of the circuit so that I don't have to commit two locomotives to a train which should only make an occasional appearance. It is however good to know that a single locomotive set is not unknown. Given just how filthy the locos get, you could always buy cheap double ups of locos you already have, and weather them so much that you can’t see their numbers, as I have seen in photos of the RHTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2017 Well, erm yes! But that is a given with any model surely, so why point it out I wonder? You've got me there. And why "1 wheel insulated" but not both, unless there are plans for electrical pickup from the axle for something? Presumably because only one needs to be. But it does seem a rather odd thing to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Jus put a pre order in for 1 of each set and the spare all in pristine condition 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2017 Given just how filthy the locos get, you could always buy cheap double ups of locos you already have, and weather them so much that you can’t see their numbers, as I have seen in photos of the RHTT. They don’t get that dirty! Well ok, maybe they do, that’s 67001 back in 2009 in toton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2017 At least with that loco, you can see the EWS livery almost clearly. This one could be bright pink and we’d never know. Found on a YouTube video. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 At least with that loco, you can see the EWS livery almost clearly. This one could be bright pink and we’d never know. Found on a YouTube video. CB51CF66-3C75-4B41-B5D9-C3E9166B934F.jpeg Didn't anyone realise that's Bachmann's brand new re-tooled Class 66 EP sample, they're just doing them life size now and touring around the UK to show it off...btw there's a lounge inside of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Didn't anyone realise that's Bachmann's brand new re-tooled Class 66 EP sample, they're just doing them life size now and touring around the UK to show it off...btw there's a lounge inside of it With dirty dancing girls??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 With dirty dancing girls??? ...filthy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) It is worth mentioning perhaps that prior to leafbusting season starting proper, traction of various flavours will pick up the entire allocation of sets for an area from York and convey them to the various area bases. For example, a single DRS 66 will pick up all the wagons for Stowmarket and a Colas 56 (last two years) for Gloucester. Just a thought for those that prefer lengthier consists. Not to mention the shunting opportunities, which at Stowmarket is really something to get the pairs of locos onto the split up sets! C6T. Edited December 4, 2017 by Classsix T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) They also appear in Network Rail infrastructure trips between yards such as Westbury, Bescot, Eastleigh, Hinksey, Hoo, Crewe, Whitemoor etc to get them in position, mixed in with the usual mix of Falcons, Autoballasters, Salmon, Coalfish etc Traction could be 66s from DB, Freightliner, DRS, GBRf or Colas, a Colas 70, or a DB 60 or 67 sometimes appears on the Toton trips. I believe 68s and 37s can turn up on the DRS hauled trips too. Jo Edited December 6, 2017 by Steadfast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dana Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 minimum radius ? scale length ?. Have a 4x8 train set layout and would love to have these on my layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 minimum radius ? scale length ?. Have a 4x8 train set layout and would love to have these on my layout. The Hattons website states that they will negotiate Radius 2 curves. See Model Specification at https://www.hattons.co.uk/NewsDetail.aspx?id=209. I assume that the wagons will be scale length, as that's what's expected in the current market, but I can't see any issues with having a set on a 4x8 layout - just pick your formation from the many examples on the Hattons website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Has anyone had it confirmed the differences between the FEA-F and others, centred around the carrying booms, shall be accommodated in the tooling? As photo shows, they are a lot narrower than their intermodal cousins. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freightliner_bond_57007 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) The option I think I'll be taking on is the three water tanks and a railtrack guv can't remember the classification right now seen in 2003 around Bradford Wakefield areas David Hi David,My recollection of these on Teesside is that they were KFA wagons rather than FEA. They had yellow bogies. Must dig out my pictures. Here’s a couple from Flickr: https://flic.kr/p/yDYfqN https://flic.kr/p/QDfQzY I’ve played with 3D printing (my first ever project) to produce some plug-ins for the GUV windows. They were ok but need revising to improve accuracy. I’ve also got a Hornby KFA to explore the conversion to the appropriate diagram but again that’s a bit of a compromise. Many thanks Alan Edited to add the pic links Edited December 12, 2017 by freightliner_bond_57007 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted December 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hi All, Here are the CADs for the RHTT wagons. As ever, head over to our website for more images and bigger versions. They can be found here. Let us know what you think. Cheers, Dave 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Looking great. I'd better order another set now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoey Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) They look fantastic! Thank you for posting those pictures. I’d best get ordering a set. Edited January 1, 2018 by Shoey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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