Current Models Available in the Market Place today

[The Black Hat]

I guess today rules out the Class 170. 

 

That is leaving the next obvious unit for me to be either class 175 or 185. 

 

As for locomotive Id say its between 37, 55 and 66. But really with the locomotive I question how many will swap a DCC Sound engine that they have now and upgrade. So Id say its between those. 

 

As for 1st gen units, some of those on that list were far too small and niche in number to be of any serious use to someone wanting to sell by volume and generate repeat sales. I also think prices are hitting areas where sales in volume will drop.  

[Clive Mortimore]

I guess today rules out the Class 170. 

 

That is leaving the next obvious unit for me to be either class 175 or 185. 

 

As for locomotive Id say its between 37, 55 and 66. But really with the locomotive I question how many will swap a DCC Sound engine that they have now and upgrade. So Id say its between those. 

 

As for 1st gen units, some of those on that list were far too small and niche in number to be of any serious use to someone wanting to sell by volume and generate repeat sales. I also think prices are hitting areas where sales in volume will drop.  

So a class 104 is small and niche?

 

I suppose seeing service on the LMR, NER and ER ending up on the WR isn't quite as wide spreed usage as some pre-grouping freight engines we have seen released recently.

[The Black Hat]

So a class 104 is small and niche?

 

I suppose seeing service on the LMR, NER and ER ending up on the WR isn't quite as wide spreed usage as some pre-grouping freight engines we have seen released recently.

 

Caught: hook line and sinker...

 

​I said 'some' not 'all', of your list are too nice. I love the NER and its region, but admit that an electric for the NER Tyneside system is likely to be something that will, maybe even should, never happen for RTR as it is too specialised.

 

AC electrics are some that are very local and specific, pending on the time and route that they did. Likewise your Cross Country DMUs are probably just too big to be done, but stand a greater chance.

 

There are some obvious ones there like the 104. The reason why it stands more of a chance that it could be made is that it can go away from things like the wires it needs but also can sit amongst other engines in the range already released. If an engine/unit can run on its own power, in different eras on a regional rather than route basis then it stands a far higher chance of being done. Why is why a certain pregrouping freight engine has been lobbied for and made (and now another has been announced today) and why some of your suggestions - haven't.

[wombatofludham]

I think once Bachmann have cured their new release constipation and are back on track we'll see a 104 from them. It's probably the last large class of DMU left which uses the same 57ft mechanism the rest of their range uses, and as Clive says went everywhere, even the far north of Scotland as the famous "Mexican Bean" unit and ran in NSE livery, albeit with the roof vents removed which might need some clever tooling technology.

 

Of course with them now developing a 64ft underframe for the Western Pressed Steel suburbans I suspect there might be a race on between Dapol and Bachmann for the prize of the top wishlist fart cart, the Swindon Cross Country.

 

As for early AC electric units, they are no more niche or route restricted than some of the Southern milkfloats that are being produced and far less than the bizarre Class 71 which mainly ran between London and Kent for a few years and yet ended up with two competing models. By comparison 100 Class 86 locos have worked from London to Glasgow and Edinburgh and out to Norwich on just about every kind of traffic for over 50 years, yet we still await a decent model given the Danes have shot their release and put it out of it's misery. An AM10/Class 310 with tooling mods to enable the subtly different Class 312 units to be made could be a winner - multiple liveries from early BR Blue to NSE and Great Eastern, ran along most of the West Coast as far as Manchester and Liverpool (and on rare occasions as far north as Carlisle), as well as East Anglia and the Great Northern. A much more widespread geographical and livery spread than the 4-CEP or 4-BEP for example, and with Hornby and Bachmann having committed serious money they can ill afford to AC electric models, it seems they believe there is a market to grow in AC traction.

 

Perhaps if I win the Euromillions I'll message Dave Jones to see if he'd be interested in me "crowdfunding" an AM10...

[Clive Mortimore]

Caught: hook line and sinker...

 

​I said 'some' not 'all', of your list are too nice. I love the NER and its region, but admit that an electric for the NER Tyneside system is likely to be something that will, maybe even should, never happen for RTR as it is too specialised.

 

AC electrics are some that are very local and specific, pending on the time and route that they did. Likewise your Cross Country DMUs are probably just too big to be done, but stand a greater chance.

 

There are some obvious ones there like the 104. The reason why it stands more of a chance that it could be made is that it can go away from things like the wires it needs but also can sit amongst other engines in the range already released. If an engine/unit can run on its own power, in different eras on a regional rather than route basis then it stands a far higher chance of being done. Why is why a certain pregrouping freight engine has been lobbied for and made (and now another has been announced today) and why some of your suggestions - haven't.

No but many of the locomotive and unit types I wanted and MODELED have been,

 

Baby Deltic

BTH

D84xx

class 17

Hunslet 05

Flacon

Lion

DP2

Kestrel

Class 04

Swindon/paxman type 1

Baby warship

Big Warship

10001

10203

BRCW type 2 (both 26 and 27)

BR Type 2 (24, 24/,1 25/0, and 25/2)

 

 

Derby lightweight

Derby class 108

Cravens

 

It would be nice not to have to finish these.

 

No need to lobby just build and let the RTR guys copy.

 

Quite surprised 10800 has not appeared as an RTR loco. But then I did make it as the rebuild Hawk.

[adb968008]

To be honest I didn't realise she'd cabbed a 142. Very appropriate seeing as she thought everything should be done on the cheap and only poor people didn't want a car. She probably thought it was a new technology Leyland bus for the deregulated bus bandits.

 

I remember reading it in a Rail Enthusiast magazine at the time, apparently it was unplanned, something went wrong with her road plans, and they last minute bundled her into the back of a pacer with the guard.

 

The overseas pacer, was some trade exhibition, it may have been Vancouver with the 142, but it could of been the Asia/Canada or US tour with one of the LEVs.. I can't remember that one it's too far back a news broadcast for a young me to remember, But I recalled seeing it in a news bulletin, at a time I was a young kid and intrigued at these new pacer thingamabobs, especially being on tv.

Edited January 8, 2018 by adb968008

[mdvle]

 

As for locomotive Id say its between 37, 55 and 66. But really with the locomotive I question how many will swap a DCC Sound engine that they have now and upgrade. So Id say its between those. 

 

 

 

where can find rule that can only buy new model if already have existing model?

[centraltrains]

With the DCC Diesel Smoke System, I could imagine it would probably look brilliant in a HST. Though given Hornby's HST price, I doubt I would buy it. I would rather see more MUs even if more expensive lol

[cal.n]

With the DCC Diesel Smoke System, I could imagine it would probably look brilliant in a HST. Though given Hornby's HST price, I doubt I would buy it. I would rather see more MUs even if more expensive lol

What about a stand-alone DCC smoke system, compatible with your sound chips, maybe the same size as an EM2, like earth movers, everyone who likes it (not to everyone’s taste) would put one in their 37, 47, HST, Deltic etc...

[Clive Mortimore]

Caught: hook line and sinker...

 

​I said 'some' not 'all', of your list are too nice. I love the NER and its region, but admit that an electric for the NER Tyneside system is likely to be something that will, maybe even should, never happen for RTR as it is too specialised.

 

AC electrics are some that are very local and specific, pending on the time and route that they did. Likewise your Cross Country DMUs are probably just too big to be done, but stand a greater chance.

 

There are some obvious ones there like the 104. The reason why it stands more of a chance that it could be made is that it can go away from things like the wires it needs but also can sit amongst other engines in the range already released. If an engine/unit can run on its own power, in different eras on a regional rather than route basis then it stands a far higher chance of being done. Why is why a certain pregrouping freight engine has been lobbied for and made (and now another has been announced today) and why some of your suggestions - haven't.

 

Come on Charlie what about these little beauties, so I don't have to make any more.

[Covkid]

My personal preference would be the Park Royal power + trailer set but I am painfully aware of it's severe livery choices ;

 

Green no yellows chevrons

Green half yellows

Blue with half yellows

Blue full yellows

Blue full yellows including cab doors

Blue full yellows ands plated over headcode box.

 

Throw in three or four four number choices and it would provide options. would would be a retailers stock nightmare.

 

So with that safely buried I agree with the others about the BRCW with 2 3 and 4 car options, power trailer sets and plenty of livery subtlety including white cab rood domes, grey cab roof domes, no yellows, half yellows and full yellows, the Buxton stripes, red buffer beams, NSE etc.

 

Also the possibiity of moulding slides to maybe produce the Calder Valley sets too.  

 

Has to be a winner and I would buy 104s whereas I won't buy your modern 2nd gen stuff due to belong too modern !!!!

 

Locos - I would have said the class 25 up until 7th January 2018,

 

Plenty of industrial diesel shunters to produce with numerous liveries too.

Top of my list would be a Bagnall DL2 with either 9 foot or 10 foot wheelbase. The 9 footers were basically a Drewry clone below the running plate, with an alternate body above.  https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8761/28547246702_237f91d14a_b.jpg

 

Another alternative is the English Electric EEV shunting engine ;https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5194/7081519851_1e96d62fa5_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1593/26150789674_105f748528_b.jpg. https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5720/22414336627_816e04a1fb_b.jpg

 

Given the undoubted success of the Hornby Peckett and I am sure the Hattons Barclay will be equally popular, then surely industrial diesels need to move on from the red abomination which Hornby created a few years ago

[Alien]

My preference is a Deltic or a 185. My actual preference is a class 47, but then it always is!  Forget the smoke, unless its one rapid, volcanic exhaust plume on starting.

 

 

I'm off for a brew!

[PeteB]

I havn't seen any sign of Dapol doing the class 88 (unless somebody knows different) so there might be a gap in the market for one of those.

 

As for what needs replacing - looking at Hornby models that are still the old Lima tooling without an alternative from another manufacturer, the class 67 is a possibility - although I don't find the sound that particular prototype makes particularly inspiring.

 

For electrics - what about class 89 as RTR?  It ran on both East and West coast main lines, with 3 possible livery variations (inter city, Swallow, GNER).

 

I'd have a Hastings DEMU if one became available, but I do understand that would be big investment for a manufacturer.  Perhaps one for Bachmann, who seem to have made a success of things like the Blue Pullman, 4-CEP and (via Kernow) the 4-TC,  all of which are multiple units that manufacturers might have considered to have limited appeal.

[Dungrange]

looking at Hornby models that are still the old Lima tooling without an alternative from another manufacturer, the class 67 is a possibility - although I don't find the sound that particular prototype makes particularly inspiring.

 

But the new higher spec Class 67 isn't the old Lima moulding.  I can't see that much wrong with the newer Hornby model to justify another version.

[PeteB]

But the new higher spec Class 67 isn't the old Lima moulding.

 

My mistake - I thought they were still using the Lima tooling.

[classy52]

I'm a simple man with simple needs that simply loves the Class 37.

If RealTrack could make the ultimate super detailed Class 37 with all the trimmings and different nose variations including a dedicated space for an EM2 or come with a pre-fitted EM2 speaker then I would buy them all as long as they were in current day livery, sorry but don't do anything pre-2012 (I will wait though if earlier liveries are done first) and all 6 of my current Bachmann 37's would to go to the great eBay in the sky never to return.

 

Multi Functional DCC Lighting Features (Marker Lights/Cab/Engine Room)...yes please with proper white LED's at nose ends

SuperSound DCC Speaker System  (Not Hi End Sugarqubes/ I Phone Speakers)...EM2 or nothing!

DCC Diesel Smoke System...not bothered but wouldn't say no, would that come with synchronised thrash clag?

 

I am also partial to the Class 47 thus a close second with the above specs.

Edited February 20, 2018 by classy52

[ruggedpeak]

Interesting thread. My tuppence:

 

I have lots of Hornby 58's - the Heljan one was not good enough to justify replacing them but a new 58 to the latest standards in various liveries would be top of my list. It is the only existing model that has been done that I'd suggest might be viable. Not convinced 37's or 47's are unless specific and very accurate models of specific variants such as 37/9.

 

Not for me, but in my view is there is probably [very] strong latent demand for 123s and 124's and similar. And DMU's are Realtrack's strength, and not really anyone else's.

 

Smoke - a big no from me. Aside from not looking realistic (no clag being forced out at start up etc) the impact of pollution on health and lungs is rapidly becoming a major issue across many areas. Vaping is allegedly non-toxic despite the clear hazchem markings on the bottles - my bet is it is the next big health problem. Anything emitting particles/smoke in the home environment is likely to be frowned upon. This has nothing to do with modelling but wider societal trends, and model smoke may fall foul of this. Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying model smoke is good or bad, just it may be contrary to a significant trend around illness deaths from lung related issues, pollution and chemicals in the home. I also don't want whatever smell or residue that will result on my models, layout and furniture!

[The Black Hat]

What about a stand-alone DCC smoke system, compatible with your sound chips, maybe the same size as an EM2, like earth movers, everyone who likes it (not to everyone’s taste) would put one in their 37, 47, HST, Deltic etc...

 

Wouldn't part of the problem be that installing a stand alone system be that models are not built or designed to take it. As a result you'd be hacking chassis to bits to put it all in, especially with a big speaker wanted to get quality sound. To me that limits the number of people that might go for it.

 

To be honest smoke never looks as real as the prototype, so its an area Id be happy to do without.

[ColinK]

I like the idea of a 104, I’ll have one of the Buxton line units please.

 

As for DCC smoke, you can already have it, although it is a bit expensive. Just fit a DCC chip, apply lots of current then add a short circuit - watch the cloud of smoke coming out of your loco.

[Jim76]

I like the idea of a 104, I’ll have one of the Buxton line units please.

 

 

I would certainly be up for a Buxton Class 104. As for ‘current models’ I still think a Class 155 is a no brainer.

[Mike Storey]

This question was posed by the OP exactly four months ago.

 

Charlie - have you made a decision yet, or are you awaiting the outcome of the Russian nerve gas assassination??

 

If not, what more info do you need? It is pretty obvious that the overwhelming consensus is for a Class 33 to the standard of SLW or better. Nuff said.

[charliepetty]

'Class 33' We are sick of people asking for them!!!  With all the comments,  I take it smoke is out then!!!!!!

 

No one has even mentioned the one I like?

 

Charlie

[wombatofludham]

No one has even mentioned the one I like?

 

Charlie

What, the most lucrative one?

[adb968008]

No one has even mentioned the one I like?

 

Charlie

I wouldn’t recommend to make it then :-)

[adb968008]

If in doubt, which kits appear the most on ebay that have not been done ready to run, that sell at high prices.

I see oodles of GWR 9700’s, MR flat irons all go cheap.
But beauties like the class 02 shunter seem to fetch a premium.


Personally i’m A DMU / EMU man when it comes to modern image gaps... class 104, 124, 303, 304/5/8.
As Rapido are at the premium end, i’d Keep it simple and safe in this market.. do the ultimate class 55, just don’t say a word until the EP is done, that way you’ve got 5 - 7 years on the nearest competition.

 

The modern image play ground is getting quite tight with everything worthwhile loco wise already done and now being duplicated, people might suggest a class 33 or a 58, but given the current ones are selling, the market is ok with them.

 

DMUs/EMUs have plenty of hunting ground left, even if they are not cheap.

Edited March 28, 2018 by adb968008