RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted November 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2017 The size of the power cars (about that of a class 52 Western) should enough space for weight and big motor and still leave space for DCC gubbins. Two power cars should push pull a 14 car train through anything. I would be more concerned on couplings between power cars and coaches as there no articulated bogies. These would need lock in place, yet have a close coupling system that works as well in compression as in tension while pushing/dragging the heavy through curves and gradients at high speeds and remain easy to put together and take apart (with doubtless DCC electrical connections). Not impossible but needs to be thought through and have some working prototypes. One power car is more than adequate given a decent mech. https://youtu.be/boiIcPWZz3c?t=248 Andi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted November 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2017 With any curve and long model train you get resistance, with reverse curves it’s worse, add gradients, then gradients with curves it’s a real pain. So, what I think you're saying is, that I might have a bit of difficulty running my 14 coach set at a scale 140 mph on my double helix (when the layouts finally built) ;) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I’m struggling with all these different versions available. How are you going to design packaging for 5/6/7/10/14 coaches . Surely it would be bespoke for each version. With all due respect, surely things such as packaging aren't our worries? I'm pretty sure that the manufacturers can fathom the packaging without our assistance - I'm yet to hear of a 'project cancelled' due to not being able to find the right boxes. Edited November 30, 2017 by YesTor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So, what I think you're saying is, that I might have a bit of difficulty running my 14 coach set at a scale 140 mph on my double helix (when the layouts finally built) ;) IMG_20170930_202815.jpg If that's the double helix, how big is the layout going to be??!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Wallgate OO Gauge Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I must admit I like the idea of the 6+2+2 formation for a bit of space saving https://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/6924151899/in/photostream/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted November 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) With all due respect, surely things such as packaging aren't our worries? I'm pretty sure that the manufacturers can fathom the packaging without our assistance - I'm yet to hear of a 'project cancelled' due to not being able to find the right boxes. It all adds to the cost . And with 14 cars it needs to be sturdy . Believe me I’ve seen plenty projects fail because of inadequate packaging . Edited November 30, 2017 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Nothing wrong with DJM packaging to date. Looking at the Rapido 4 car set, the DJM one is going to be a very big box. Where can I hide it? Edited November 30, 2017 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2017 To help us sneak a 14 car set inside perhaps DJM woukd consider a part work, say one vehicle per month. It would help the wallet also. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Wallgate OO Gauge Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 To help us sneak a 14 car set inside perhaps DJM woukd consider a part work, say one vehicle per month. It would help the wallet also. Or they could disguise the packaging as a recliner chair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I can only echo Legend's suggestion for, say, a basic 6-car set plus extra coaches for people to make whatever length rake they want, as was done with the APT-E. I'm very interested in a decent length rake and I'd want black cab window surrounds. When I look at the options though, 10 cars would be too long for me and the only other shorter black-cabbed option is a 5-car set, which is shorter than I'd like. 7 or 8 cars would be ideal for me, although I'd probably go for a 6-car set too if that was the nearest available. I could add the black cabs myself, but that's not really something I want to do when that livery version is obviously being produced. So, my situation right now is that I'd happily to commit to one, but the option I would want isn't available at the moment. I'd also like to know the price of course. Dave Edited November 30, 2017 by Waverley West 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Like the (apparently) delightful Bachmann Scenecraft Coaling Tower for instance! 44-070. Been trying to find one for ages! Check your inbox Cheers, 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It would be easier to do it as a 5 car train pack like Hornby did, with and without the black mask windscreen surround, you could sell the additional power car separately with its original pantograph or with its later Brecknell willis pantograph, all its intermediate coaches could also be sold separately, it had quite a few variations on its driving coach, full yellow end, black mask with the br logo as an outline, br logo fully painted black, apt logo as an outline, then infilled with red and a red line separating the yellow and the grey, even its power cars had no Br logo on one side and Intercity apt on the other side when it was first built. Doing it this way would avoid the need for a massive box that could hold 14 00 gauge coaches and it would help people to avoid the cost of buying a full 14 car unit in one go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted November 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2017 It would be easier to do it as a 5 car train pack like Hornby did, with and without the black mask windscreen surround, you could sell the additional power car separately with its original pantograph or with its later Brecknell willis pantograph, all its intermediate coaches could also be sold separately, it had quite a few variations on its driving coach, full yellow end, black mask with the br logo as an outline, br logo fully painted black, apt logo as an outline, then infilled with red and a red line separating the yellow and the grey, even its power cars had no Br logo on one side and Intercity apt on the other side when it was first built. Doing it this way would avoid the need for a massive box that could hold 14 00 gauge coaches and it would help people to avoid the cost of buying a full 14 car unit in one go. Hi Agree with above see my post No.60 for full potential spec but of course DJ will be directed by Mick at Stanley trains. I guess it will take until after Crimbo to see how it pans out. Added my N order to the clamour but would hopefully get all the half trains in full if I win the pools / sell my soul to the company a bit more (XC) Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Doing it this way would avoid the need for a massive box that could hold 14 00 gauge coaches and it would help people to avoid the cost of buying a full 14 car unit in one go. The easier way, which I suspect Dave has already twigged is that you produce trays that hold 7 vehicles (i.e. up to a full half set) and then you only have to produce two box types (a seven and a 14). That way anything up to 7 cars fits in one tray, and anything over comes in two "half set" trays. From the options presented so far, only the two most expensive options need two trays... People are clearly favouring the 14 car sets in N gauge already by Dave's comments, and I suspect the same may happen in 00. Edited November 30, 2017 by frobisher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Like the (apparently) delightful Bachmann Scenecraft Coaling Tower for instance! 44-070. Been trying to find one for ages! Invergowrie Model centre has one new and unused in box when I was last in. He does post and can take orders over the phone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 o Now who's going to be building a layout especially to show off the tilt? One with some nice flowing S bends on the scenic section would look great rather than your typical straight with one curve each end going back to the fiddle yard at each end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 The easier way, which I suspect Dave has already twigged is that you produce trays that hold 7 vehicles (i.e. up to a full half set) and then you only have to produce two box types (a seven and a 14). That way anything up to 7 cars fits in one tray, and anything over comes in two "half set" trays. From the options presented so far, only the two most expensive options need two trays... People are clearly favouring the 14 car sets in N gauge already by Dave's comments, and I suspect the same may happen in 00. .....or one 7 car tray with box and one single or twin coach pack tray and box to allow folk to build the rake up according to space or budgets and a single or twin coach pack are ideal for xmas or birthdays. there might be some who a) can afford the full 14 car twin power car train and b) have the layout to run it (because lets face it nobody will have a display cabinet long enough if that's all they want to do with theirs) but I don't envisage many orders for the 14. Even a 7 car train on your average 00 layout looks long. Maybe some don't mind running their APT around a layout so small that the leading cab is running around right up the jacksy of the trailing cab LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 .....or one 7 car tray with box and one single or twin coach pack tray and box to allow folk to build the rake up according to space or budgets and a single or twin coach pack are ideal for xmas or birthdays. there might be some who a) can afford the full 14 car twin power car train and b) have the layout to run it (because lets face it nobody will have a display cabinet long enough if that's all they want to do with theirs) but I don't envisage many orders for the 14. Even a 7 car train on your average 00 layout looks long. Maybe some don't mind running their APT around a layout so small that the leading cab is running around right up the jacksy of the trailing cab LOL. Would that require trip-cock signalling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Seems like quite a few people angling for a 7- or 8-car unit with black window surrounds (me included).... Nudge, nudge. Not sure I can justify paying a fair amount more for coaches I won't use by ordering the 10-car unit. Especially when there is so much else coming up on the horizon competing for my hard-earned cash (Bachmann Mk 2f's, DBSOs, Freightliner wagons, Hornby 87s, etc., etc.) I'm very tempted to order one but I'm going to hang fire to see whether the option I (and, it seems, quite a few others) want is added. Edited December 1, 2017 by Waverley West 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2017 Yep another nudge here for black window surround 6 or 7 car. Likewise I’m waiting to see what develops and indication of price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2017 Yep another nudge here for black window surround 6 or 7 car. Likewise I’m waiting to see what develops and indication of price. Absolutely agree, I would prefer black window surrounds and will not place an order until I know the price and know it is affordable. I would never want to skew the figures in favour of the development to then say it is too much and not follow through. As for size, I can't justify 14 car (as much as I would love it) and may just about get away with a 10 car, but realistically a 7 car set would be the best option for me. Best regards, Roy One power car is more than adequate given a decent mech. https://youtu.be/boiIcPWZz3c?t=248 Andi Indeed, sticking a Heljan DPU in the middle would do it ;-) Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 .....or one 7 car tray with box and one single or twin coach pack tray and box to allow folk to build the rake up according to space or budgets and a single or twin coach pack are ideal for xmas or birthdays. Given that the commitment is to a single production run, for now, then I can't see how that could realistically work without someone shouldering this "excess" stock to allow people to build up their rake over time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2017 Given that the commitment is to a single production run, for now, then I can't see how that could realistically work without someone shouldering this "excess" stock to allow people to build up their rake over time... Retailers may be prepared to take some knowing people would like to expand sets over time. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2017 Retailers may be prepared to take some knowing people would like to expand sets over time. Roy This is a Retailers Commision by Durham Trains of Stanley so exclusive to them. (DJM is 'merely' the contracted designer and link to the manufacturer) No offence Dave, I know you'll be doing a heck of a lot more! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted December 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2017 This is a Retailers Commision by Durham Trains of Stanley so exclusive to them. (DJM is 'merely' the contracted designer and link to the manufacturer) No offence Dave, I know you'll be doing a heck of a lot more! I am sure that does not stop some from buying from DToS and then selling them: it has happened before with other exclusives. Also, it may be in DToS interest to let it happen if it makes an otherwise unviable project viable. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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