OO gauge Crowdfunded APT-P (Warley announcement)

[njee20]

That’d be a bold move though - retailers buying (at retail) intermediate coaches on the speculation that people who’ve bought a marginally profitable product may want to extend it at some indeterminate point in the future. Tough sell IMO.

 

I think Dave’s right to do sets from the outset.

Edited December 1, 2017 by njee20

[Waverley West]

It might help our cause if everyone who has expressed a wish for a 6, 7 or 8 car unit with black cab window surrounds on this thread let Durham Trains their thoughts...

 

http://durhamtrainsofstanley.co.uk/my_store/index.php?main_page=contact_us

[MICHAELWORRALL]

I am sure that does not stop some from buying from DToS and then selling them: it has happened before with other exclusives. Also, it may be in DToS interest to let it happen if it makes an otherwise unviable project viable.

​Roy

Folk have already seen the way to buy and make money. IE customers are saying to buy small and add to it so the ones buying say the 14 car and making what they want out the the pack then selling the rest of the coaches on ebay. if will happen its happened with APT-E 

[John ks]

If I am understanding DToS's site then the percentage of orders for each set is as follows( of coarse I could be interpreting the information I found on the site incorrectly)

 

  5 car set     11.6%

  6 car set     22.09%

  7 car set     16.27%

10 car set     18.6%

14 car set     31.39%

 

IF these numbers are correct then the 14 car set is the most popular so far( these percentages will only be correct? at the time that this was posted)

 

John

[Titan]

I am really starting to get annoyed by lazy unnecessary abbreviations. It took a while to realise Durham trains is not Driving Trailer Open Second...
 

I am sure that does not stop some from buying from DToS and then selling them: it has happened before with other exclusives. Also, it may be in DToS interest to let it happen if it makes an otherwise unviable project viable.
​Roy

I thought you were talking about buying/selling the first/last vehicle of the APT for a while which did not make sense until the penny dropped. The little 'o' was too subtle..

Edited December 2, 2017 by Titan

[Roy Langridge]

I am really starting to get annoyed by lazy unnecessary abbreviations. It took a while to realise Durham trains is not Driving Trailer Open Second...

 

I thought you were talking about buying/selling the first/last vehicle of the APT for a while which did not make sense until the penny dropped. The little 'o' was too subtle..

Oh well, easily annoyed aren’t you? At least I didn’t abbreviate my name ;-)

 

Anyhow, you worked it out!

 

Roy

[MICHAELWORRALL]

Added by me due to popular demand and this will be the only change.

 

DJM-APT-N-0003

7 car set (1 power 1 dummy) 370006 Black front

£649.95

 

 

DJM-APT-OO-0003

7 car set (1 power 1 dummy) 370006 Black front

£749.95 per 7 car set

[Titan]

Oh well, easily annoyed aren’t you? At least I didn’t abbreviate my name ;-)

 

Anyhow, you worked it out!

 

Roy

 

Rather ironic, since I have lengthened my name, not abbreviated it!

[Wigan Wallgate OO Gauge]

Now that the prices up it's time to struggle with my decision of which to pick 

[royaloak]

 

Added by me due to popular demand and this will be the only change.

 

You willing to bet on that?

 

I am sure you are aware of what a fussy, finicky lot we are (if not just ask Dave, he will tell you) so I bet you a virtual pint that by the time these are released there are at least two other major changes.

[Waverley West]

 

Added by me due to popular demand and this will be the only change.

 

DJM-APT-OO-0003

7 car set (1 power 1 dummy) 370006 Black front

£749.95 per 7 car set

 

 

Duly ordered. Thanks!

[sandwich station]

I've put an order in for a 14 car set but said so on the other thread, as I didn't realise there was a separate thread for 00 till just now.

[Opelsi]

Personally I would have liked the yellow fronted model though this is not available in more than a 7-car set (possibly being due to being prototypical? - Sure others could enlighten).

Already ordered a 10 car set though, with a justification that it ought to fit into the same passing loop as a full length HST set (fingers crossed).

 

I wonder if consideration could be given to making the end cars available separately thus giving the option of running sets in either yellow of black cab front guises.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Opelsi

[delticfan]

Going to order mine today probably the 14 set no idea where it’s going to run we’ll sort that detail later and the wife is not to know. Will it have magnadhesion lol.

[reevesthecat]

Have sent email requesting swap from 7 car plain front to 7 car black front as system does not seem to let me cancel and re order. Hope this ok cheers

Mark

[DJM Dave]

You willing to bet on that?

 

I am sure you are aware of what a fussy, finicky lot we are (if not just ask Dave, he will tell you) so I bet you a virtual pint that by the time these are released there are at least two other major changes.

Hi,

 

Have to agree with Durham Trains of Stanley latest change is logical and fills a gap, however any more might dilute the pool a tad too much and spread the load but not necessarily the monies, as products prices etc are based on MIQ (minimum order quantity) and as such by diluting quantities over the range.

 

Pushing under MIQ could have 2 negative effects,

 

Firstly the Chinese will raise their price to cater for the lower MIQ, secondly that we may not reach threshold due to the MIQ not being reached.

 

Cheers

Dave

[Colin_McLeod]

I've put an order in for a 14 car set but said so on the other thread, as I didn't realise there was a separate thread for 00 till just now.

Let's hope the one you get is the scale you want.

[FPH 603]

Question: From what you guys know, how is the quality of the sets? I don't mean to be judgemental, but that seems WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than your typical train pack. Not even Bachmann's Blue Pullman went to these staggering prices! I have only just discovered this thread (I've been looking at the 'N' scale thread for a while), and I wasn't at Warley myself, so I have only a vague idea of what this new APT will look like.

[60800]

Have sent email requesting swap from 7 car plain front to 7 car black front as system does not seem to let me cancel and re order. Hope this ok cheers

Mark

I've done the same, just waiting for an email reply

 

Cheers,

60800

[JSpencer]

Hi Dave and DToS,

 

Thanks for the nice project. But I have some questions below that I feel others may be asking the same so I post them here.

 

Of the sets, the 14 car brings the best value. I was thinking of getting the 10 car set but for just £100 more, yet get 4 extra coaches and limitless possibilities. However it is lot to spend in one year.

 

So:

1/ I think payment is in 4 parts. Is that correct please?

2/ Are the 4 parts equal ?

 

3/ Over what time period are we anticipating the project to run?

My guess here would be at least 2 years (looking at the Rapido APT-E), and maybe 3...

4/ So does that mean payment is spread evenly across the time period?

 

Thanks in advance for your attention,

Rgds John

Edited December 3, 2017 by JSpencer

[Fenman]

... that seems WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than your typical train pack. Not even Bachmann's Blue Pullman went to these staggering prices! ...

 

6-car Bachmann Blue Pullman is available on Olivia's is £600 (or roughly £100 per car) - I'm assuming that's RRP. And it's from tooling made some time ago, when things were cheaper.

 

6-car APT is on at £700.

 

Given the shift in market prices over the last few years, the APT doesn't look wildly out-of-kilter for what is likely to be a very low-run, specialist product, which has to cover its costs in a single run (I'd guess).

 

Why do you think it is "way more expensive"?

 

Paul

[Colin_McLeod]

The second version of the Blue Pullman is itself way overpriced so does not make a fair comparison.

[Philip Jackson]

Can I ask why the 6 and 7 coach trains are only available with full yellow ends and not the black . Tempted but I may have to go 5 car because I want the black windscreen surrounds

I just ordered DJM-APT-OO-0003 which is 7 cars and black windows

[phil gollin]

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The price is what is to be expected, and IF I had an East Coast layout covered in snow then getting an APT-P might be appropriate !

 

Otherwise, this sort of model is like the SECR livered locos  -  items that you just can't resist despite being "off topic"  -  it's just a matter of how many brave/weak-willed people can afford that much money for a "whim".

 

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Edited December 3, 2017 by phil gollin

[Roy L S]

6-car Bachmann Blue Pullman is available on Olivia's is £600 (or roughly £100 per car) - I'm assuming that's RRP. And it's from tooling made some time ago, when things were cheaper.

 

6-car APT is on at £700.

 

Given the shift in market prices over the last few years, the APT doesn't look wildly out-of-kilter for what is likely to be a very low-run, specialist product, which has to cover its costs in a single run (I'd guess).

 

Why do you think it is "way more expensive"?

 

Paul

 

Hi Paul

 

The £600 price tag quoted by Olivias  is full retail for the 00 one, with 15% permitted discount the price comes down to £509.96 and that's the price most will pay, nearly £200 less than the 6 car APT. This is a fully commercial product with profit margin built in throughout the supply chain.

 

Given that crowd funded ventures are supposed to provide some kind of financial incentive to the subscribers it suggests that a comparable retail price would be somewhat higher than £700, unless of course this product is priced with fully commercial profit margins built in for those involved in it's production (not a criticism were it the case just an observation).

 

Regards

 

Roy

Edited December 3, 2017 by Roy L S