RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Michael Edge said: Can't we get Wentworth Junction in there as well then? I was wondering about that. Might be an excuse for more passenger trains... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) On 05/08/2020 at 02:02, LNER4479 said: The foam ballast is disintegrating badly and, whilst its replacement on a piece of plain line is simple enough, this is a different prospect, even ignoring the fact that you can't get the point inlays any more. I have some that are surplus to requirements. You're welcome to them if you want. Edited August 6, 2020 by aardvark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Nice to see that even in Ye Olde Dayes you were a consummate Peco Point Bender 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 Indeed. I got addicted to bending when I was about 19 ... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Indeed. I got addicted to bending when I was about 19 ... Least said the better, I think! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 06/08/2020 at 21:15, aardvark said: I have some that are surplus to requirements. You're welcome to them if you want. If you're not keen on revisiting Peco foam underlays, you might like to consider this product as a convenient way to avoid all that tedious ballasting on your magnum opus : https://www.tracklay.co.uk/ No relation, just a happy customer. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2020 Ballast meister here..ballasting is no problemo..even PECO underlay needs some ballasting to fill in the bits between two tracks..... Baz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Bigger problem at the moment is getting hold of the track, especially the points - there seems to be a national shortage of Peco points. What is the world coming to?! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Bigger problem at the moment is getting hold of the track, especially the points - there seems to be a national shortage of Peco points. What is the world coming to?! I understand that Peco switched track at the start of the pandemic panic and started to make PPE but are now back to making our toys. 2 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted August 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2020 I ordered a Peco point through Hattons a fortnight back, but it turned up this morning, in a box about twenty times too big for it. Anybody want some bubblewrap? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Hattons packaging causes eye rolling from the ladies in the Gerbil-Fritters household... the smaller the item the bigger the box it seems 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) With Central station out of mothballs, itching to get on with its resuscitation ... Disassembled again, so as some permanent structure can be constructed beneath it. An evening was spent surveying levels as best I could around the room before the height was set in relation to the other parts of the layout constructed so far. Batten thus affixed to the wall. I'll find out in a couple of months time whether I've got this right or not .... From here, 3 feet outward beams are installed, at three feet intervals. A mixture of new and recycled timber. With two such supports in place, the station can be returned into its position. This is principally to allow for accurate positioning of the third set of supports, which I want to coincide with the baseboard joint (just in case we do actually end up taking this thing on the road...) From this angle, some of the work required becomes apparent. It is all wired up, with a hinged control panel on the right. Where there was more than two wires of the same colour, I've labelled them up but these will of course need making up into a proper electrical connector. Also apparent from this view is the gap in the horizontal support batten. The reason for this stems back to its old loft location. It was quite low off the ground and there was a central (ha!) crawl-under arrangement for which maximum crawl room was required. Part of the work will be to reinstate the missing section of batten (note how the second set of supports neatly coincides with the mid-length cross batten). The platforms, meanwhile, are formed around lengths of 2 x 1 affixed on their sides to the main piece of chipboard and thus offering some support. As of this afternoon, the country end is simply supported by the trusty tripod, until the third set of supports go in. In all these shots, you may be able to see some cross supports approx two-thirds of the way up the legs. These will support a rather hefty shelf which will not only provide the longitudinal rigidity but will also be the basis of the underneath storage for locomotives in their 'rest of the world' sheds. Couldn't resist one close up whilst I had the camera out. This is work I did 15-20 years ago (can't exactly remember) and it was the 'repeated pattern' effect I was after, Manchester Central and St Pancras being very similar styles, architecturally. All the main arches were cut from clear perspex using a pattern and then 'decorated' with plasticard pieces, all individually stuck on. It's somewhat simplified compared to the original and there's probably (undoubtedly?) easier ways of doing it but I'm not displeased with the effect. And I've got it all to do again when we come to Carlisle Citadel overall roof. Hopefully will have the station throat and the underneath shelf in situ next time I check in ... Edited August 11, 2020 by LNER4479 29 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Absolutely magnificent. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simontaylor484 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I would like to repeat what Dr GF said 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Well, that's most kind of you, gentlemen. (picture from this website https://thevictorianhistorian.wordpress.com/2014/04/06/victorian-railways-manchester-to-london/) There's a lot more that I could - and maybe will - do to it as a model. It was always my intention to add the distinctive canopies, seen above, for the 'country' ends of the platforms. Note the water columns also. I did go and have a mooch round the site in the early 1980s and took some pictures of my own, shortly before work started to create G-Mex and thus at least save the station structure for posterity. As a related piece of trivia, according to the Foxline 'Manchester Railway Termini' book, on platform 4/5 was a model of the 'Ben Machree' Isle of Man steamship in a glass case. So we gotta have a model of a model on the model! But all in good time. Some rather more important work to do first ... Edited August 11, 2020 by LNER4479 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, LNER4479 said: model of the 'Ben Machree' Isle of Man steamship Build the Ellen Vannin instead. Then all you'd need would be the surface of the water... 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 Which roof are you doing for Carlisle? The old one covered up almost the entire station and the present one covers a lot of it. We've just about given up on the idea of building the roof for the EM layout, I did think of doing a sort of wire frame representation of the new roof but it would be far too big to lift off for access. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) I'll make a decision at the time Mike, once I have the station area laid out and I can see the physical size and shape for real. As you know, it will be a scaled down version (but still with all platforms as they were / are). I reckon the overall roof would need to be about 8 feet long - what are the scale lengths, out of interest, both original and cut back? My ideal era is 1956-58, slightly earlier than David's (I have to have red Duchesses and prior to the diesel takeover). This of course is exactly the time when the roof was cut back! So I do have a choice and I am fatally attracted to the glorious Tudor-gothic endscreen, even though it was somewhat dilapidated at the end and would cover up much of the station... Options include only doing the full screen at the south end (on my plan, the north end is somewhat compromised and starts to curve round unprototypically), having it removable to reveal the more cut down version, not bothering with it over plat.1 & sidings (as per the current arrangement). Having part of it removable one way or another will be a must, whatever I decide. Edited August 12, 2020 by LNER4479 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 That's 'Ben-my-Chree' by the way - Manx for 'Girl of my Heart'. 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 That is indeed the name (spelling) of the current boat on the Heysham route, wot we sailed on last year. However, I'm led to understand that the former vessel modelled did have the anglicised name 'Ben Machree'. I think it (the model) still survives and I might have seen it at MOSI but not 100% sure on that. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2020 6 hours ago, LNER4479 said: I'll make a decision at the time Mike, once I have the station area laid out and I can see the physical size and shape for real. As you know, it will be a scaled down version (but still with all platforms as they were / are). I reckon the overall roof would need to be about 8 feet long - what are the scale lengths, out of interest, both original and cut back? My ideal era is 1956-58, slightly earlier than David's (I have to have red Duchesses and prior to the diesel takeover). This of course is exactly the time when the roof was cut back! So I do have a choice and I am fatally attracted to the glorious Tudor-gothic endscreen, even though it was somewhat dilapidated at the end and would cover up much of the station... Options include only doing the full screen at the south end (on my plan, the north end is somewhat compromised and starts to curve round unprototypically), having it removable to reveal the more cut down version, not bothering with it over plat.1 & sidings (as per the current arrangement). Having part of it removable one way or another will be a must, whatever I decide. The new roof would be over 2m long, I did draw out some of it while doing the drawings for the island platform buildings. island platform buildings.PDF I've done plenty of other drawings, just ask for anything you need. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2020 Heyup Red Leader, I liked your article on placement and use of figures in the latest BRM, very informative, thank you. Al. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) Thanks Al - but the article is actually by Tom Dewdney's (LMS29 on here). A couple of the photos are mine. Edited August 12, 2020 by LNER4479 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Michael Edge said: The new roof would be over 2m long, I did draw out some of it while doing the drawings for the island platform buildings. island platform buildings.PDF 515.44 kB · 2 downloads I've done plenty of other drawings, just ask for anything you need. Thanks Mike. I'm surprised it's that short, even in its shortened form(!) I shall have to pace it out next time I'm there. You have previously kindly made your files available. And I know where you are if I get 'stuck'. Being realistic, will be a couple of years yet I think before I'm getting properly stuck into the station itself. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted August 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: I shall have to pace it out next time I'm there. A while ago I was on Carlisle Station, probably for one of the steam excursions, and there was a modeller complete with tape measure and note pad taking a whole series of measurements. He was last seen being escorted away from the platforms by an officer of the Transport Police. I hope he managed to convince them of his honourable intentions. Perhaps it was someone on RMweb and who reads this. If so how did you get on? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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