RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 Battle space turbo car?? or rather more Black 5s, more EE type 4s, more Brush Type 4s........ Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Battle space turbo car??They were FUN! needed a round roundy though.Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Battle space turbo car?? or rather more Black 5s, more EE type 4s, more Brush Type 4s........ Baz Hi Baz That is the sort of thing that is missing from train sets, something for the 8 to 12 year olds to play with. The blue engine is OK for the 3 to 7 year age group but to expect an 8 year old to play with "real trains" that grown ups play with is a bit much. What play value is there in a highly detailed Merchant Navy? Where a si-fi army rocket car with a big machine gun is ace. 8 to 12 year olds want to play with trains not operate model railways. 12 and over stop playing and hopefully take up model raiwlays as a hobby. If they don't have that intermediate play thing from Thomas to "proper" model railways the hobby loses them for good. Edited October 24, 2018 by Clive Mortimore 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 Bring you a proper train on Sunday if you like? Easy, Tiger! Save it for three weeks and two days time... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Anyhow... With only a few days to go before Shap is out again at this weekend's Leeds show, there has been the inevitable burning of midnight oil to tackle a few jobs on the 'to do' list. One of these involves the summit signalbox, as captured in this lovely picture by Tony Wright. But can you see the very obvious item on the 'to do' list? Yes - it all looks rather bare inside! Having checked out various options for interior kits, I settled upon the Severn Models brass etch (ref D10). I like working with brass and I felt that a etch might give me a few options - and so it proved. Here is the main thing I have done. The etch provides for levers with a 'standard' catch arrangement. However, Shap summit was an LNWR box, which almost certainly featured the distinctive 'collar' type catches instead. So - a bit of fiddling with a fine pair of pliers resulted in this. Now, just have to repeat it 35 more times. Jumping on a bit, here is a picture from a few hours ago, with all details painted and most stuck down - the others are held with a blob of Blu-tack for now About the best view I can get looking in through the windows. To 'gild the lilly' a little, I have researched as best I can the arrangements of the levers in Shap summit box (courtesy of the SIgnalling Record Society trackplans). The levers are painted accordingly and the ones showed 'pulled' relate to actual moves. In this case, the left-hand-most levers, 1,2,3,4 correspond to a northbound train heading up the bank. The other set, 27,28,32 are for an up train heading into the loop behind the box. This includes the blue facing point lock lever. I guess that's a detail that no-one would ever detect looking at the model at a show but - hey - it's good to know it's there! (before anyone asks, I've only managed to make two out of the three sets of 12 levers so far. The middle set (levers 13-24) will have to wait for another day. All of those will be 'back in the frame' as there's no other move that can reasonably be happening with the above levers pulled.) Finally, the view from the front which at least gives a suggestion of life in the box. Do say 'hi' if you're coming to the Leeds show. Otherwise, we hope to post a suitable report - including that 'new' train that we're keeping under wraps until the show. Edited October 24, 2018 by LNER4479 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 G'day Folks Forgive me as one who knows nothing about the LNWR, except they had 'Black' engines, but 'Shap' box hasn't any external steps, did they have them 'inside' ?? manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 Anyhow... With only a few days to go before Shap is out again at this weekend's Leeds show, there has been the inevitable burning of midnight oil to tackle a few jobs on the 'to do' list. Shap 02.jpg One of these involves the summit signalbox, as captured in this lovely picture by Tony Wright. But can you see the very obvious item on the 'to do' list? Yes - it all looks rather bare inside! DSC04644.JPG Having checked out various options for interior kits, I settled upon the Severn Models brass etch (ref D10). I like working with brass and I felt that a etch might give me a few options - and so it proved. DSC04587.JPG Here is the main thing I have done. The etch provides for levers with a 'standard' catch arrangement. However, Shap summit was an LNWR box, which almost certainly featured the distinctive 'collar' type catches instead. So - a bit of fiddling with a fine pair of pliers resulted in this. Now, just have to repeat it 35 more times. DSC04647.JPG Jumping on a bit, here is a picture from a few hours ago, with all details painted and most stuck down - the others are held with a blob of Blu-tack for now DSC04650.JPG About the best view I can get looking in through the windows. To 'gild the lilly' a little, I have researched as best I can the arrangements of the levers in Shap summit box (courtesy of the SIgnalling Record Society trackplans). The levers are painted accordingly and the ones showed 'pulled' relate to actual moves. In this case, the left-hand-most levers, 1,2,3,4 correspond to a northbound train heading up the bank. The other set, 27,28,32 are for an up train heading into the loop behind the box. This includes the blue facing point lock lever. I guess that's a detail that no-one would ever detect looking at the model at a show but - hey - it's good to know it's there! (before anyone asks, I've only managed to make two out of the three sets of 12 levers so far. The middle set (levers 13-24) will have to wait for another day. All of those will be 'back in the frame' as there's no other move that can reasonably be happening with the above levers pulled.) DSC04652.JPG Finally, the view from the front which at least gives a suggestion of life in the box. Do say 'hi' if you're coming to the Leeds show. Otherwise, we hope to post a suitable report - including that 'new' train that we're keeping under wraps until the show. Very nice Graham. How about connecting the levers up to servos so that they move according to the actual position of the points and signals? You could also fix the bobby to a stepper motor belt drive so that he moved up and down the frame as the levers moved... Just sayin'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2018 Very nice Graham. How about connecting the levers up to servos so that they move according to the actual position of the points and signals? You could also fix the bobby to a stepper motor belt drive so that he moved up and down the frame as the levers moved... Just sayin'. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2018 Very nice Graham. How about connecting the levers up to servos so that they move according to the actual position of the points and signals? You could also fix the bobby to a stepper motor belt drive so that he moved up and down the frame as the levers moved... Just sayin'. You've been watching too many episodes of that c**p "model railway" show on Channel 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2018 Very nice Graham. How about connecting the levers up to servos so that they move according to the actual position of the points and signals? You could also fix the bobby to a stepper motor belt drive so that he moved up and down the frame as the levers moved... Just sayin'. You can articulate the figure as well so he/she leans and stoops and pulls etc. Not sure about the signing the book and tea making movements though. I.M. Possybull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 G'day Folks Forgive me as one who knows nothing about the LNWR, except they had 'Black' engines, but 'Shap' box hasn't any external steps, did they have them 'inside' ?? manna It simply must have had internal steps, as views of both end elevations do not show any exterior staircase. Thanks for reminding me - I might yet carve a hole in the floor to indicate where the steps emerged! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Can I recommend one of these? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2018 Getting ready for another day of trains heading up a (real) incline and others going down... A new train has been added to the fiddle yard storage/running facilities...and no...it isn't a Battle Space Turbo Car! Baz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 G'Day Folks Is it the ducking 'Giraffe' wagon......................! manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Planning to take some piccies of said train before the hoardes arrive ... But you can get a sneak preview if you nip over to the Leeds show thread in the exhibitions section 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2018 So, layout back home safely after its second show outing. Bit late for a full show report so, for tonight, a few pics of the new train. A wonderful colour picture of a Crosti 9F being banked up Shap Wells on the Ford Halewood-Bathgate car train proved irresistible. Myself and Paul shared the cost of eight of the new Oxford car transporters and then Paul toured the local model shops, buying up Anglias and Cortinas whenever he could find them. Shared out between us, we each spent the last few weeks affixing then to the decks to produce the sight you see below. Arguably a little too colourful compared to the prototype but it ran beautifully and was certainly a popular train at the show. More tomorrow, all being well. 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Herbert Nigel Posted October 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2018 A wonderful colour picture of a Crosti 9F being banked up Shap Wells on the Ford Halewood-Bathgate car train proved irresistible. A powerful 9F . It seems to have dropped the banker before the summit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Reduced formation? The prototype picture looks to have 16-20 transporter wagons on. The true story is that we were all set to have it as a banked train but when we tried it there was daylight between the buffers of the guards van and fastest banker we had to hand! So it ran unbanked for the show. Obviously, the gradient isn't steep enough... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2018 Reduced formation? The prototype picture looks to have 16-20 transporter wagons on. The true story is that we were all set to have it as a banked train but when we tried it there was daylight between the buffers of the guards van and fastest banker we had to hand! So it ran unbanked for the show. Obviously, the gradient isn't steep enough... Perhaps add some 'drag' to the carflats by wedging some foam between the axles and bogies? Really do like the overall look of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBITION A day later than promised... We were afforded prime spot in the 'greenhouse' area, adjacent to the pay booths Backstage, something seems to have amused Paul. A good range of the Shap 1967 fleet can be seen. However, this should be the last time the layout is seen in this form. All being well, next time out we should have a new fiddle yard, more suited to the layout - and a broader range of stock covering 1953-1968 (ish). Out front, Tony's preserved 4498 recreates her RCTS 'Border Limited' railtour of 28th October 1967 A banked freight blasts past the gallery at Shap Wells. Rear end assistance is provided by 75039, one of the final Tebay bankers. A few minutes later, 75039 drops back down to Tebay as the final Jubilee in service, No.45562 'Alberta' steadily ascends the bank with a fully fitted van train. Another railtour, this time headed by preserved 7029 'Clun Castle' has passed under Greenholme road bridge. Ivo Peters and his friend Norman Lockett compare notes. Later in the day, the sun illuminates the fell side alongside Shap summit. Std 4MT 4-6-0 75037 (another one of the last bankers operating out of Tebay), drops off the rear of a EE Type 4-hauled oil train. More interesting lighting catches Barry's distinctive green + blue DMU as it begins the descent of Shap bank. That's all folks! Stay tuned for more Shap / Carlisle news once Grantham is safely back from St Evenage in January... Edited October 30, 2018 by LNER4479 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 Perhaps add some 'drag' to the carflats by wedging some foam between the axles and bogies? Really do like the overall look of this. That's a good idea Mr Pinfield however I think one would only need to do the last couple of wagons and the B Van giving a sort of tail end Charlie 'drag'. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 I spy Tony from 36E; gey top, specs, second person on left from front. He would have enjoyed this layout. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 Pics 4 & 5; superb looking scenes. This just screams out for super smoke effects and suitable sounds. Sadly that's far away except for possibly sound(s) from the archives (Mr Handly's products/), but no smoke effects as nobody has yet come up with the mechanisms to create that successfully. If the sound was available you would need some sort of shield surround for the layout so as not to #### off all the other guests. Of course, you could have your own, exclusive cabin in which to operate or have something like drummers do in confined spaces (and no, that does not mean no drums and or no sticks )? I do hope you get an invite for a show in the midlands/north for early next year. Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 Ducky the Brush Type 4 on the Freightiners has sound as has one of the English Electric Type 4s.. they sound nice working up the hill, but also sound quite restrained coming downhill.. Ba 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBITION A day later than promised... DSC04658_crop.jpg DSC04659.JPG We were afforded prime spot in the 'greenhouse' area, adjacent to the pay booths DSC04663.JPG Backstage, something seems to have amused Paul. A good range of the Shap 1967 fleet can be seen. However, this should be the last time the layout is seen in this form. All being well, next time out we should have a new fiddle yard, more suited to the layout - and a broader range of stock covering 1953-1968 (ish). DSC04664.JPG Out front, Tony's preserved 4498 recreates her RCTS 'Border Limited' railtour of 28th October 1967 DSC04665.JPG A banked freight blasts past the gallery at Shap Wells. Rear end assistance is provided by 75039, one of the final Tebay bankers. DSC04667.JPG A few minutes later, 75039 drops back down to Tebay as the final Jubilee in service, No.45562 'Alberta' steadily ascends the bank with a fully fitted van train. DSC04661.JPG Another railtour, this time headed by preserved 7029 'Clun Castle' has passed under Greenholme road bridge. Ivo Peters and his friend Norman Lockett compare notes. DSC04671.JPG Later in the day, the sun illuminates the fell side alongside Shap summit. Std 4MT 4-6-0 75037 (another one of the last bankers operating out of Tebay), drops off the rear of a EE Type 4-hauled oil train. DSC04672.JPG More interesting lighting catches Barry's distinctive green + blue DMU as it begins the descent of Shap bank. That's all folks! Stay tuned for more Shap / Carlisle news once Grantham is safely back from St Evenage in January... Stupendous shots of a stupendous layout!! I loved this at Warley and am really looking forward to seeing it again!! Keep up the excellent work. Chris. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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