Popular Post LNER4479 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Three weeks to go to Peterborough and there's a whole list of loco modification / detailing projects to be getting on with. Can't do them all at once but this one has been afforded due priority: Signature locos are of course the Shap bankers and the Fowler 2-6-4Ts in particular for the classic LMR steam era. The Hornby offering is a nice model but features the earlier versions with the cut out cab style. The final locos were afforded enclosed cabs and, on account of the extra weather protection afforded in the Northern Fells, these locos were favoured for Shap banking duties. In fact, the last numbered example, palindromic No.42424, was something of a minor celebrity loco at Tebay on the 1950s. A patient word in Mike Edge's ear had led to a run off of his set of etches to undertake the necessary modification and so here we are, no time to lose. First of all the hacksaw and modelling knife have to be wielded and so here is life at its lowest ebb. At least the too early (for me) BRITISH RAILWAYS moniker has disappeared. Now with tank sides affixed and bunker parts assembled. The destructions didn't quite say to do it this way but I fancies the idea of the two seams reinforced with a solder run from the inside. And this is where we're up to as of about an our ago. Looking a bit more together now. The fold up door units return the strength to the assembly. All being well this should be running at Peterborough as 42424. In fact, it needs to be as I don't have a spare banking engine! More soon. Edited November 15, 2019 by LNER4479 28 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 C Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a familiar sight. I'm mid way through doing one of these Mike Edge conversions myself. Thanks for the useful tip about the bunker etches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 And now it's gorn grey (primer). Black to follow shortly ... Meanwhile ... Hornby Patriot No.45534 'E Tootal Broadhurst' has become rebuilt Jubilee No.45736 'Phoenix'. In truth, it's little more than adding the detail parts (front steps, draincocks, etc) and renumbering / renaming. Oh, and a change to late emblem. I've also - as you've probably noticed - I've given her a coat of gloss varnish to 'lift' the rather lacklustre, powdery rendition of Brunswick green of the Hornby model. You've no doubt also noticed that one of the tender wheels is not on the rails... The plan is that she will subsequently be weathered into 1964 condition, complete with cabside strip and thus be a recreation of a memorable sighting my Dad had at Shap Wells in August 1964, captured on his cine camera (hence grainy image). 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 She also needs a Jubilee cab. The Pat cab is wrong for the rebuilt Jubilees. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 Well, let's let that be our little secret, at least for now ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanGe Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Brocp said: She also needs a Jubilee cab. The Pat cab is wrong for the rebuilt Jubilees. Hi guys, So what's the visual difference please between the cabs of a rebuilt Patriot and a rebuilt Jubilee ? regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 I'm assuming that they're subtle and therefore not detectable from three feet away on a moving loco ... ? There is of course a significant visual difference between the original Fowler style cabs fitted to the 'Scots and 'Pats when first built with and the later Stanier cab. During rebuilding, the 'Scots retained their original cabs but the Patriots were equipped with Stanier cabs. So a rebuilt Patriot model is a closer starting point from which to create 45736. Although nominally of same 5XP (later 6P) configuration, there are no doubt lots of detail differences between a rebuilt 'Pat and the two Jubilees so modified (which were actually modified first before the Patriot rebuilding programme got underway). However, I have neither the time nor inclination at the present time to worry too much about that. I suspect that the Hornby model is the inevitable compromise between it and the 'Scot in any case - although probably better than the Mainline equivalents of the 1980s? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2019 The limousine cab looks good, I've still got to do one of these for myself but the etches go out as fast as we get them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 There's some pics there that show the difference. Also the smokebox saddle's are different, but you'll never see that on a layout 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 She's ready for the road: Severe quantities of midnight oil have been burnt since the previous post to get to this stage. It's a Halfords satin black spray then I ordered the Fox transfers for the Fowler 4MT ... which duly did NOT cater for the Stanier 'Limousine cab' variant so a little bit of extra cutting and shutting was required. Then a coat of satin varnish to hopefully seal the transfers. Cab and smokebox have had a coat of matt black. There's more I'd like to do ... but we're virtually out of time as far as Peterborough show is concerned so she will appear over the coming weekend looking like this. Weathering is one item high on the priority list! But overall I'm delighted with it - Mike's etches have enabled me to produce a distinctive, signature loco for the layout. Might not be a true 'glamour' loco but for me such a loco is essential to capture the spirit of Shap. Gilding the lily a bit, I do intend featuring one extra detailed touch ... Can you spot them? The Shap banking turns were regarded operationally as trip workings (ie the same as a 'pick up' goods) and duly carried 'Target' boards. The long standing target numbers were T91, 92 & 93, with T94 being the local Tebay-Penrith goods pick up goods. So, based on these photos*, I'm going to knock up some boards to be carried on the left hand lamp bracket. Look out for them if you're coming to Peterborough. (*my, cropped photos of pictures by W Philip Conolly) Also been working on a couple more 'Jub's - will post something further before the weekend. 22 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 C Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Looking forward to seeing the limousine cab Fowler at the weekend. Does the "more things I'd like to do" include the below the footplate Stanier features which differentiated them from the earlier batches? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted December 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2019 Very tasty work on the Fowler. I seem to remember that someone else once did some etches for the same conversion - Perserverance, maybe? - but I've never seen them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Barry Ten said: Very tasty work on the Fowler. I seem to remember that someone else once did some etches for the same conversion - Perserverance, maybe? - but I've never seen them. Yes Perserverance did some etches. They were the wrong size. Now I have a donor Fowler tank I am tempted to do a conversion with the Judith Edge sides. Peterborough should be interesting as I have scrounged some visiting locos and added another Duchess to my box of locos. Baz 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, 5 C said: Looking forward to seeing the limousine cab Fowler at the weekend. Does the "more things I'd like to do" include the below the footplate Stanier features which differentiated them from the earlier batches? Yup. The rear bogie would benefit from bolster details being added amongst other things. I also need to refit the injectors! I also removed the ejector and have not yet refitted it yet as I've noted a wiggly pipe making its way along the tank top towards the cab. The tank vents aren't the right shape and, as Mike points out in his destructions, there should be S-shape rear vents climbing up the rear of the cab. Plenty to keep me busy ... but having got 42424 to where she is now, immediate priority will be to lift a few other locos to this sort of level. Still a few too many 'out of the box' locos on the roster at the moment. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) I thought it was Crownline who did the Limousine cab etches. Anyway, Mike does them now and they contribute to a very fine model. Alan Edited December 2, 2019 by Buhar spulling 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Final posting before Peterborough (probably). I do rather like 'Jubilees'. Second only to the incomparable 'Duchesses', they are my fave Stanier locos. Something to do with aesthetics, an inspired choice of names and the distinctive Jubilee 3-cylinder roar when working hard. So it is always a labour of love to work on such locos. Here then is a brace of these 6P 4-6-0s, having received some attention to personalise them a little (and taking time out in the Swiss Alps, like you do...) Firstly, this is one of my old Mainline split chassis 'Jubs', originally 45698 'Mars', featuring the smaller, Fowler 3500gall. tender. It's still got a few more miles in her yet so it's had a few of my usual jobs - front steps re-set with support brackets, lamp brackets added and front, screw link coupling. I've also dulled down the motion a little. More importantly she has assumed the identity of long time Newton Heath (26A) resident 45706 'Express' (built Crewe, 1936), the plates for which come with a rather attractive crest beneath the name. These were amongst some of the Top Link workings at 26A and there is a lovely picture of 45706 in 1952 by Eric Bruton of her charging confidently through Tebay, beautifully clean and steam tight, scorning a banker with her 13 coach load. Bet she was making a wonderful noise at Shap Wells! Keeping her company is a more up-to-date Bachmann offering that is one of the locos on loan from 92220 Camden. The loan condition for this loco included the freedom to rename her from the factory 45611 'Hong Kong' - accordingly, she has become North British built 45584 'North West Frontier'. I love that name - conjures up a spirit of adventure, exploration and intrigue. It is of course the name of one of the British Indian provinces, nowadays part of Pakistan and the location of the Khyber pass, amongst other things. More intimately, Dad captured her on his cine camera, drifting through Low Gill in 1964 on a parcels train, complete with red-backed nameplate. Here, however, together with 45706, she bears the early BR emblem and together they are diagrammed to share the 1950s Manchester-Glasgow/Edinburgh working. 45584 was a Polmadie engine until 1952, thereafter a long-term resident of Blackpool shed so use on such a train is a little tenuous but ... hey ... it's my trainset. 45584- short firebox (straight throatplate) 45706 - long firebox (sloping throatplate) If you will indulge me just a little further, despite 45706 being based on an old model, her use allows the comparison to be made between the two generic boiler types used on the class. The original Mainline offering featured the later, long firebox and therefore suitable for locos from 45665 onwards; however, the more recent Bachmann product covers the earlier locos so we now have the best of both worlds. If you look where the front of the firebox is in relation to the middle splasher you can see the difference - counting the washout plugs is another give away. As with any large class, there are plenty of other detail differences and some of the earlier locos had their frames modified to take the later type of boiler ... but we'll leave it at that for now. Meanwhile, I've added that extra little detail for the banking engines I referred to on Monday. We're getting there ... slowly! See you at Peterborough if you're going along. Edited December 4, 2019 by LNER4479 24 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: I do rather like 'Jubilees'. Second only to the incomparable 'Duchesses', they are my fave Stanier locos. Something to do with aesthetics, an inspired choice of names and the distinctive Jubilee 3-cylinder roar when working hard. So it is always a labour of love to work on such locos. So do I. With the Stanier tender, one of the best-proportioned locos to my eyes. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, St Enodoc said: So do I. With the Stanier tender, one of the best-proportioned locos to my eyes. Thats why I have 5 of them Billy Ruffian, Newfoundland, leeward Islands, bechuanaland.. and, a new edition..Sea Horse..ideal for Chapel en le Frith! (Well that's my excuse any roads up!) As it happens there could be some visitors to Shap over the weekend including a 4-4-4-4. Baz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Quote including a 4-4-4-4. I hope you'll follow the official starting and stopping procedures (this appeared on Facebook this week): 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2019 'procedure for stopping....' I thought it just stopped if its own accord! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Ramblin Rich said: 'procedure for stopping....' I thought it just stopped if its own accord! Does it include a fire extinguisher ? Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2019 It seems from this that the two 150hp engines ran all the time at constant speed, no mention of any control for them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2019 So you need to push the starters in both cabs.. long arms required! and it only really had one fire.. unlike CoBos which all seem to have a burn mark on the bodysides/roof! Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2019 OOPs checked my loco database .. make that 6 two of which should be running on Shap tomorrow or Sunday Baz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 'Newfoundland' wasn't 45670! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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