RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 Something for the weekend Sir? Philth 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Something for the weekend Sir? Philth Phwoar!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 Phwoar!!!! I forgot to mention that that is one I did earlier!!!!!! Sorry about that. However, that was for Pendon. Yours will be better! Philth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeoffAlan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Around this time I remember camping near Shap and seeing those new fangled diesel locos being banked up shap by good old steam locos. I have no idea how long that went on, but we saw both goods and passenger trains with an oily smelly diesel up front and a magnificent example of the steam locomotive engineer's art behind. Not that we were/are biased. One of our number was a locomotive engineer employed by British Railways, and long and hard did he lecture us on the merits of diesels. Long and hard did we argue, that, if they were so damn good, why did Mr Stanier's finest need to trouble themselves aiding these horrible green boxes over the climb. Many a comment that a 4P in good nick would have stormed the hill were, sadly, and rightly ignored, and the diesel revolution came to the UK. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 could that go with ????? Baz 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 You can have this one next time you visit. could that go with other side of LMS Pd II Compo diner D1811.JPG ????? Baz The fourth track of the Sergeant Pepper album springs to mind with postings like these... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 are you sure you didn't mean track 2???? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Around this time I remember camping near Shap and seeing those new fangled diesel locos being banked up shap by good old steam locos. I have no idea how long that went on, but we saw both goods and passenger trains with an oily smelly diesel up front and a magnificent example of the steam locomotive engineer's art behind. Not that we were/are biased. One of our number was a locomotive engineer employed by British Railways, and long and hard did he lecture us on the merits of diesels. Long and hard did we argue, that, if they were so damn good, why did Mr Stanier's finest need to trouble themselves aiding these horrible green boxes over the climb. Many a comment that a 4P in good nick would have stormed the hill were, sadly, and rightly ignored, and the diesel revolution came to the UK. Indeed. Putting aside the emotion, and pedant mode on for a moment, there was actually a limit on the number of unbraked vehicles that could be taken up the hill without a banker - off the top, I think that number was a paltry 15. So if the train was only partially braked, the banker was sometimes there for insurance against a coupling breaking as much as anything and nothing to do with the power available from whatever was at the front end. This is the more prosaic reason behind many a photo of steam banking diesels up Shap. Pedant mode off Smelly 'ol boxes on wheels 'Stinkers', Ivo Peters used to call them (he still photographed them, all the same!) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 are you sure you didn't mean track 2???? Equally! Just so long as it's not Track 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 December 2017 Steam World......Shap's Last Steam Christmas. Have you seen that? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS29 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 December 2017 Steam World......Shap's Last Steam Christmas. Have you seen that? Phil Red Leader, I have a copy of this article and will bring to the next running session, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) Time for another instalment, methinks With the front baseboard structure complete, it's chicken wire time. This is the point of no return in terms of finding out whether the contours of the land work out as you've envisaged them. I'll come back to the balsa wood strips in a moment... With the road bridge (from the last episode) in position, chicken wiring can go up to the bridge and beyond. And now to the balsa wood. I'm sure you've worked out by now that this is associated with the dry stone walls. Having tried this out on the test piece and been pleased with the results, this became the established technique. This in 3mm balsa, cut into strips 16mm high but not otherwise too straight and true - a certain degree of higgledy-piggledy-ness is to be encouraged! A small sliver was removed off the top edges (again, doesn't have to be too neat) to promote the rounded top of the caping stones. It is then deliberately snapped every 2-3 inches and then fixed in placed using short lengths of soft steel. This allows it to follow the contours of the land. The fixing in place is only an interim stage, as what follows next firms it up solid. After chicken wire, comes the mod-roc (other brands of plaster-impregnated bandage are available). This is the 'trick', if there is one: short strips as shown are shaped round the balsa formers and checked for uprightness. The next strips of mod-roc are then laid so as to overlap the previous pieces up to the base of the wall each side. I then add a second layer to strengthen things up but this doesn't need to be over the wall former at all. By doing it like this, the drystone walls have become integral to the scenery structure. In actual fact, the spine of the wall even adds some strength to the structure. So now we get some idea of the famous Shap Wells scene. In spite of the whiteness, the outline of the walls can be made out. And an idea of the view as it enters the cutting. Note how the texture of the mod-roc actually does a passable impression of the stonework as it is - but we didn't leave it like that! The Brit was picked up a swapmeet and gets some attention in due course. It's actually a tender drive version but destined to double-head with a Black 5 so that doesn't matter so much. More soon. Edited January 26, 2018 by LNER4479 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2018 Time for another instalment, methinks IMG_6572.JPG With the front baseboard structure complete, it's chicken wire time. This is the point of no return in terms of finding out whether the contours of the land work out as you've envisaged them. I'll come back to the balsa wood strips in a moment... IMG_6580.JPG With the road bridge (from the last episode) in position, chicken wiring can go up to the bridge and beyond. IMG_6582.JPG And now to the balsa wood. I'm sure you've worked out by now that this is associated with the dry stone walls. Having tried this out on the test piece and been pleased with the results, this became the established technique. This in 3mm balsa, cut into strips 16mm high but not otherwise too straight and true - a certain degree of higgledy-piggledy-ness is to be encouraged! A small sliver was removed off the top edges (again, doesn't have to be too neat) to promote the rounded top of the caping stones. It is then deliberately snapped every 2-3 inches and then fixed in placed using short lengths of soft steel. This allows it to follow the contours of the land. The fixing in place is only an interim stage, as what follows next firms it up solid. IMG_6584.JPG After chicken wire, comes the mod-roc (other brands of plaster-impregnated bandage are available). This is the 'trick', if there is one: short strips as shown are shaped round the balsa formers and checked for uprightness. IMG_6586.JPG The next strips of mod-roc are then laid so as to overlap the previous pieces up to the base of the wall each side. I then add a second layer to strengthen things up but this doesn't need to be over the wall former at all. By doing it like this, the drystone walls have become integral to the scenery structure. In actual fact, the spine of the wall even adds some strength to the structure. IMG_6602.JPG So now we get some idea of the famous Shap Wells scene. In spite of the whiteness, the outline of the walls can be made out. IMG_6577.JPG And an idea of the view as it enters the cutting. Note how the texture of the mod-roc actually does a passable impression of the stonework as it is - but we didn't leave it like that! The Brit was picked up a swapmeet and gets some attention in due course. It's actually a tender drive version but destined to double-head with a Black 5 so that doesn't matter so much. More soon. Very nice Graham. I like the walling technique and might try that in due course. A cheaper alternative to plaster bandage that is used a lot round here is to use Chux towels (J-cloths to you) soaked in plaster. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2018 Very nice Graham. I like the walling technique and might try that in due course. A cheaper alternative to plaster bandage that is used a lot round here is to use Chux towels (J-cloths to you) soaked in plaster. I do something similar with Garden Floss from the garden centre, cut into squares and then soaked in Hydrocal. Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimble Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 those last two photos make a passable attempt at a nice, snowy day... who needs to add grass?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS29 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) With all the attention focused on getting Grantham ready for the next two show, I managed to build a few wagons to supplement the Shap rolling stock collection. Looking at historic photographs produced two photographs with wagons that interested me. The bulk Soda Ash wagons built for ICI in the early 1960s and a much earlier milk tank transporter, which may find a use in the future. Edited February 16, 2018 by LMS29 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted February 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2018 Those shots are nice they have the hint of David Jenkinson's Dent which for me was an inspirational layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Dear Mr Duck, yes please.. I still have a pile of sides and other bits from all sorts of etchers to buildup into LMS coaches. Baz Baz Baz, if I have not done this by this time next week would you please PM me as I am forgetful, even after writing notes to myself! Thanks Phil Hello Phil, Would you mind sending this to me too please? Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2018 Don't worry Duckie I am away visiting some southern hemispheres ducks at the moment Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2018 Hello Phil, Would you mind sending this to me too please? Thanks, Andy, can you remind me what it is I was supposed to be doing? Thanks Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Just before Geoff Brewin passed away he was working on a plan for using Comet LMS bits on Dapol Kit donors. I have a copy of the notes he made about this suggesting which LMS Diagrams could be created. Happy to send you that if it could be useful? It would probably be better for Graham's planned project but could suit Shap. Phil Phil Andy, can you remind me what it is I was supposed to be doing? Thanks Phil Yeah, it would help if I'd multiquoted the correct (as above) post, wouldn't it Phil? Sorry for the confusion, but it's a copy of those notes that I'm after if you would be so kind? Rgds, Edited February 18, 2018 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Blimey - six weeks since last instalment. Well, I've been away, didn't you know. Anyway, we pick up the story having completed the first length of scenery structure and mod-roc'd it. It's that Britannia again. However, spot the difference - some drystone walling has started to appear. This was the first length completed. A coloured and textured (fine ballast) plaster mix is applied to the wall former and then, whilst still wet, the pattern of the stones is scribed onto the surface. Bit awkward if it's too wet but once it starts to go 'off' then it's workable for 20-30mins, depending on conditions and the mix. This took some experimentation to get right and, even at the end, it was still a bit hit and miss. But overall, I think the effort was worth it. The idea was to complete the walling around each field before applying the ground treatment. Amongst other things, this ensures that the walling is integral to the scenery structure (it actually adds to the structural strength) and thus part of the landscape. One of the things that you can see here is the effect of the different successive mixes, it being virtually impossible to match the colour of the previous mix! So, some colouring of the wall was necessary to finish it off. A few loose stones are being positioned to represents random rock outcrops and large boulders left when the last ice sheet retreated (I think I'm right in saying?) My usual mix of sloppy plaster ground cover. In later areas, I made this much darker as it does show through if the final ground cover gets disturbed. A few trains now to set against this latest stage of the scenic development. This is my fully fitted van train. Banked freight, a little bit more at a prototypical angle. What the...?!!! A day when the diesels visited for some early trials. Phew - that's better. This is the formative railtour rake; the Jubilee needs some work to make it suitable for 1967. And at this point, a site visit beckoned as the next stretch of scenery required some research... Edited March 6, 2018 by LNER4479 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrovich Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Phwoar!!!! "I say" in my best Leslie Phillips impersonation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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