LNER4479 Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Barry O said: Finally finished A period II D1716 Composite Corridor Looks good to me... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted October 15, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) So.... With days to go until the first show of the season (Hartlepool this coming weekend), time for a last update on the stock side. Work on the 1950s Royal Scot is complete! Here are the two Lima/Comet conversions previously featured, now 'released to traffic'. First of all the full Kitchen Car, here displaying its corridor side. And the partner Third Class Restaurant Car. Having acquired a pack of Precision Labels for the train, all the passenger carrying vehicles in the set now have roof boards affixed (nine such sets of labels in the pack so just fitted them to the public side for now!) Also provided are the rather nice end boards which make for an appropriate finishing touch. Of course, a train such as this needs appropriate motive power. And it has been Oh such a hardship to work on not one but two of my all time fave locos over the last few weeks(!) Here is Polmadie's 46224 Princess Alexandra in all her finery, suitably tarted up to work the train. A little weathering still required - not to mention a set of lamps (thought I'd get in there before Mr Wright mentions it). Standing alongside, is sister loco 46248 'City of Leeds', but depicted towards the end of the 'Duchess' story in early 1960s condition. This - you might remember(?) - was the 46251 'City of Nottingham' passed on from 60022 of this parish for services rendered, so has required extra work to convert from curved front footplate to the 'utility front' arrangement. Can you spot the other various little (and not so little!) mods and details lavished on these two miniature examples of Stanier's magnum opus? Haven't actually put together the complete Royal Scot set with '224 at the business end so quite looking forward to seeing it myself at Hartlepool. Hope to see you there if you're planning to coming along; alternatively, not too much longer after that until the Peterborough show, before which I hope to work on some of the other stock / locos in a similar manner. Edited October 15, 2019 by LNER4479 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Can you spot the other various little (and not so little!) mods and details lavished on these two miniature examples of Stanier's magnum opus? Front frame extensions around the pony wheels by any chance? I'm not familiar with the newest Hornby Duchesses but the earlier ones always had a bit too much space in this area. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Barry Ten said: Front frame extensions around the pony wheels by any chance? I'm not familiar with the newest Hornby Duchesses but the earlier ones always had a bit too much space in this area. One down; about 19 to go (although you have identified one of the more significant ones). And yes, to clarify, these are the earlier Hornby Duchesses... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, LNER4479 said: So.... With days to go until the first show of the season (Hartlepool this coming weekend), time for a last update on the stock side. Work on the 1950s Royal Scot is complete! Here are the two Lima/Comet conversions previously featured, now 'released to traffic'. First of all the full Kitchen Car, here displaying its corridor side. And the partner Third Class Restaurant Car. Having acquired a pack of Precision Labels for the train, all the passenger carrying vehicles in the set now have roof boards affixed (nine such sets of labels in the pack so just fitted them to the public side for now!) Also provided are the rather nice end boards which make for an appropriate finishing touch. Of course, a train such as this needs appropriate motive power. And it has been Oh such a hardship to work on not one but two of my all time fave locos over the last few weeks(!) Here is Polmadie's 46224 Princess Alexandra in all her finery, suitably tarted up to work the train. A little weathering still required - not to mention a set of lamps (thought I'd get in there before Mr Wright mentions it). Standing alongside, is sister loco 46248 'City of Leeds', but depicted towards the end of the 'Duchess' story in early 1960s condition. This - you might remember(?) - was the 46251 'City of Nottingham' passed on from 60022 of this parish for services rendered, so has required extra work to convert from curved front footplate to the 'utility front' arrangement. Can you spot the other various little (and not so little!) mods and details lavished on these two miniature examples of Stanier's magnum opus? Haven't actually put together the complete Royal Scot set with '224 at the business end so quite looking forward to seeing it myself at Hartlepool. Hope to see you there if you're planning to coming along; alternatively, not too much longer after that until the Peterborough show, before which I hope to work on some of the other stock / locos in a similar manner. They really are super looking engines. However, if I can be permitted the slightest of niggles... the brown haze weathering that seems rather fashionable at the moment is really unconvincing, so much so that it breaks my belief in the model. There will be some 'brake dust/speeding through poo' brown, but there are also many other things that shade the running gear and lower part of the loco, oil, emulsified oil/boiler gunge, rust, dirt, etc. For your delectation, I offer the following as suggestions: I particularly like the bow-wave on City of Leeds... Hopefully helpful, certainly not intended as carping. But the brown haze is a bugbear of mine. A certain commercial weathering outfit does it all the time.... grrrr! 16 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: I particularly like the bow-wave on City of Leeds... It's almost like the dirt on that smoke deflector has traced up the outline of the front of... an A4! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: They really are super looking engines. However, if I can be permitted the slightest of niggles... the brown haze weathering that seems rather fashionable at the moment is really unconvincing, so much so that it breaks my belief in the model. There will be some 'brake dust/speeding through poo' brown, but there are also many other things that shade the running gear and lower part of the loco, oil, emulsified oil/boiler gunge, rust, dirt, etc. Hopefully helpful, certainly not intended as carping. But the brown haze is a bugbear of mine. A certain commercial weathering outfit does it all the time.... grrrr! Have no fear, good Doctor - 'proper' weathering is in the pipeline. I've just rather run out of time for this weekend's show and getting the engines mod'd is of course the first task. FWIW, 46248 (nee 46251) came with the factory brown haze already applied so all I've done for now is to apply a similar shade to the new bits of plastic to maintain the uniform look (otherwise that would have looked REALLY odd!). Super Barry-O of this parish does rather a good line in subtle weathering of Duchesses... In the meantime, feel free to post as many pictures as you like of these magnificent machines! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 hours ago, LNER4479 said: One down; about 19 to go (although you have identified one of the more significant ones). And yes, to clarify, these are the earlier Hornby Duchesses... Ii wasn't sure about the rear truck frames, either. My two Hornby Duchesses are from 2002-ish and have the rubbish rear bogie but I think they improved the design in that area a few years later? I've got two of the Comet detailing sets with the rear frame extensions, just haven't got round to them yet. Er, what else? Battery boxes etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Super Barry-O Very good! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Barry Ten said: Ii wasn't sure about the rear truck frames, either. My two Hornby Duchesses are from 2002-ish and have the rubbish rear bogie but I think they improved the design in that area a few years later? I've got two of the Comet detailing sets with the rear frame extensions, just haven't got round to them yet. Er, what else? Battery boxes etc? Yep - rear frames was the other big thing. It's only the recent Hornby revamp that's done away with the ridiculous moving rear frames. I managed to find them as a spare part via Peter's Spares (for the even earlier tender drive version!) so have fitted those, in conjunction with hacking away the rear bogie casting. Some of the other details are more - er - detailed! Mainly at the front end; the following picture gives some indication: Some of these are related to the front footplating conversion but it all needs doing. The loco as supplied has the AWS battery box and reservoir already fitted but needed the 'bang plate' for consistency. Above the bogie transom should be the side bearer brackets but they're not as prominent on a Duchess compared to a Princess. 46224 didn't need as much as this doing (no AWS for one thing) but interestingly, as the last member of the first five built, has a different cylinder draincock arrangement (bypass valves?) so - yep - I've had a go at those as well. Very noticeable once you become aware of it and start studying pictures of 46220-224. 46248 meanwhile lacks any draincocks at all so that's still on the 'to do' list. I'd like to improve aspects of the valvegear in time as well. 46224 has however been treated to some decent Gibsons front bogie wheels. Did I mention that I quite like these locos?... Edited October 16, 2019 by LNER4479 15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I hope this one performs like its prototype over Shap, Graham.................... Just to make sure, I've taken her through Little Bytham at over 90 on 14 kit-built cars! She's just appeared in DJH's latest advert. Regards, Tony. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Very much looking forward to hosting 46245, Tony. Likely to be allocated to the 'Caledonian', a flyweight at only 8 coaches but I'm sure we'll get the chance to try her on some larger trains at some point. Mind you, also looking forward to seeing how my 46251 (Model Loco / DJH) shapes up. She should be no slouch, either 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Will the Ivatt 8Ps appear? Proper job, all workman like, No fancy curves. Almost as handsome as a Jarvis Battle of Britain... eat hat, sets fire to coat and escapes cackling through the window 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Mind you, also looking forward to seeing how my 46251 (Model Loco / DJH) shapes up. She should be no slouch, either Well it looks as though it made it to Aberdeen, so a pretty good effort... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Will the Ivatt 8Ps appear? Proper job, all workman like, No fancy curves. Like this you mean? 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 Wot! No Lizzies??? Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Barry O said: Wot! No Lizzies??? Baz Like this you mean? (Note to self - need to get a decent pic of 46210 on the Birmingham-Glasgow this weekend) 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Wot? No Rocket? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Wot? No Rocket? I am not sure a Blue Streak is suitable for the location. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 09/08/2019 at 21:41, Leander said: As far as I can remember, both D400 and D401 were so fitted. The rest had blanking plates over where the multiple unit connections would have been prior to having them fitted retrospectively. I think that is correct. The other 48 were built with the mu apparatus, but it was concealed behind blanking plates on the loco front beneath the cab. It was presumably a simple task to remove the plates and fit the connectors. I've thought of changing the Hornby model of D421 (original railblue) back to as built condition without the external cables. Looking at photos of the locos like this they do have a certain purity about them, particularly compared to later life when they acquired the headlights as well. I also seem to remember, although it's a long time ago now, that the haulage patterns could be quite confusing to a train watcher. Whilst the Euston - Glasgows, at 2 hour intervals, usually managed double heading, the various intermediate workings did not. So the trains that split/ joined at Preston for Manchester and Liverpool, those doing same at Carstairs for Glasgow/ Edinburgh, the services north from Birmingham to Scotland, and the Euston - Carlisles were usually single headed. I suspect these were 10 or 11 coaches rather than the 13 of the Euston - Glasgows, but still a fair load over Shap and Beattock. Looking forward to seeing the layout at Peterborough in a couple of months time, perhaps we can have the pair of 50's on show! John. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Like this you mean? Has the rear of the train become uncoupled in the fiddle yard ? Only 8 on, it's nearly a light engine. Pete Edited October 17, 2019 by cb900f 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: I am not sure a Blue Streak is suitable for the location. Got lost leaving Spadeadam? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, cb900f said: Has the rear of the train become uncoupled in the fiddle yard ? Only 8 on, it's nearly a light engine. Pete Ah, that's the Caledonian. Only ever an 8 coach formation. Needs coach roof boards and headboard for the loco to convince (will be done by Peterborough). 'Sir's 46245 will primarily be allocated to this working. 46256 will be held in reserve as she's still in out-of-the-box condition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: I am not sure a Blue Streak is suitable for the location. This one might be slightly more suitable: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/168525/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Ah, that's the Caledonian. Only ever an 8 coach formation. Needs coach roof boards and headboard for the loco to convince (will be done by Peterborough). 'Sir's 46245 will primarily be allocated to this working. 46256 will be held in reserve as she's still in out-of-the-box condition. Hi There, Do you have any unusual locomotives such as GT3, Prototype Deltic or the Fell ? Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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