Falcon Brassworks/Jidenco L&Y Railmotor Kit

[bundeena2230]

FOR EVERYONE - I have not used this site for a LONG time, can someone tell me how to add this as a new topic in modelling ?  I think its important to help younger people.

 

I am amazed that years ago my kids would bring their friends around to see what I do

One day a boy asked if he could use my hammer

Why?

I've never held one, just seen them in movies....

 

OMG

 

So obviously I spent time with the boy, he hammered, drilled  (with eye protection)  and soldered

 

He is now a plumber

 

SO - when I put my posts up here now,   I like to show HOW it was done, WHAT were the pitfalls, WHY did I do it this way,  what was I THINKING...

 

Perhaps younger modellers will exist,  and more knowledge will be passed down to them.

 

Thoughts?

Edited March 17, 2018 by bundeena2230

[hayfield]

Kevin

 

On the upper toolbar press Forum Index

Scroll down to the Modelling Zone section

In the part titled Skills and Knowledge Centre click on Kitbuilding/ Scratch building

Just above the frame with all the Topics listed on the right hand side is a button  Start New Topic

[Jol Wilkinson]

FOR EVERYONE - I have not used this site for a LONG time, can someone tell me how to add this as a new topic in modelling ?  I think its important to help younger people.

 

I am amazed that years ago my kids would bring their friends around to see what I do

One day a boy asked if he could use my hammer

Why?

I've never held one, just seen them in movies....

 

OMG

 

So obviously I spent time with the boy, he hammered, drilled  (with eye protection)  and soldered

 

He is now a plumber

 

SO - when I put my posts up here now,   I like to show HOW it was done, WHAT were the pitfalls, WHY did I do it this way,  what was I THINKING...

 

Perhaps younger modellers will exist,  and more knowledge will be passed down to them.

 

Thoughts?

 

I saw an interesting piece a couple of days ago on the local BBC TV News.

 

Teenagers who had isolated through having no father through their younger were being mentored by "surrogate" fathers and brothers in a volunteer programme. They were shown being taught various skills and using simple machine tools, DIY hand and electrical tools, etc. None of them were daunted by this prospect and enjoyed the sense of worth they gained from being able to undertake various jobs. It greatly improved their communication skills and confidence.

 

Sadly, the recognition that you can, with a little help, guidance and encouragement achieve things and improve your "life skills" seems to be missing in many people. All to often we read on RMweb (and other forums) that people don't have this or that skill, otr the time to learn it.

 

Topics like yours are great for encouraging people, although you have to be cautious that your explanations are sufficiently comprehensive to ensure that anyone following them has a good chance of success. It's when something doesn't work and the reason is not understood that people give up, often too easily.

[hayfield]

Quite often when posting on a topic where you are making things not only do you enthuse others, but interesting information and tips are added by others

 

In another thread (about kitbuilding in general) there is one train of thought it would be easier for newcomers to build plastic kits, thinking you need special skills to build whitemetal kits. They seem to be instantly drawn to large tender locos with fancy valve gear and seeing accomplished modellers scratch building alternative parts

 

Forgetting these modellers cut their teeth with plastic kits first, then built 4 wheeled wagons first, progressing to small simple tank locos all the time learning how to hone their skills

 

There is a myth about whitemetal soldering, well if you try putting a kit together with normal resin cored solder, you will end up with a molten mass. Where as low melt solder, liquid flux and the correct process works every time

 

Look forward to watching the build 

[Ruston]

This is a very interesting model and I put abid one one, on ebay, a month or two since but the price went to high for me. Can you please tell me what the motor/gearbox is that you are fitting and is this an old kit that you got hold of, or is it something that is still available new?

 

I'm looking forward to seeing more progress on your build.

 

Thanks.

[hayfield]

This is a very interesting model and I put abid one one, on ebay, a month or two since but the price went to high for me. Can you please tell me what the motor/gearbox is that you are fitting and is this an old kit that you got hold of, or is it something that is still available new?

 

I'm looking forward to seeing more progress on your build.

 

Thanks.

 

Ruston

 

Got the impression these were on a limited run recently, as Dart Castings will I expect still be selling a limited range of wagons it might be worth asking the question "are there any left"

[bundeena2230]

Re Ruston

A few years ago, I bid on a lot of motors (some like this) the only indication is the printing on the motor shown here.

the second image shows the alternate gearbox that does not fit. Same motor.

 

happy to send you more details like dimensions, but perhaps other reads can identify this for us.

 

Regards

Kevin

[bundeena2230]

Re Hayfield,  thanks for the comments.  Your right re plastic.  I am about to post a build of a fish wagon that almost went wrong, but thanks to soldering - the big gun saved the day.

 

Regards

Kevin

[bundeena2230]

I saw an interesting piece a couple of days ago on the local BBC TV News.

 

Teenagers who had isolated through having no father through their younger were being mentored by "surrogate" fathers and brothers in a volunteer programme. They were shown being taught various skills and using simple machine tools, DIY hand and electrical tools, etc. None of them were daunted by this prospect and enjoyed the sense of worth they gained from being able to undertake various jobs. It greatly improved their communication skills and confidence.

 

Sadly, the recognition that you can, with a little help, guidance and encouragement achieve things and improve your "life skills" seems to be missing in many people. All to often we read on RMweb (and other forums) that people don't have this or that skill, otr the time to learn it.

 

Topics like yours are great for encouraging people, although you have to be cautious that your explanations are sufficiently comprehensive to ensure that anyone following them has a good chance of success. It's when something doesn't work and the reason is not understood that people give up, often too easily.

Thanks for your comments.  I agree.  not too many dads out there that help in this way.  

But then, its not their fault always,  all too often they themselves do not have the skills to pass on

England, Australia and Imagine US  has its manufacturing in China

Its cheaper to buy a new thing than fix it

why have tools.

 

Still, the blood of Isambard lies dormant in so many of us, and when it awakens, its up to us old farts to leave behind the seeds to encourage.

 

So while this site exists, I feel I should share my apprenticeship.

 

Keep the flag flying

Kevin

[hayfield]

I do not know about Australia but in the late 70's the the so called new breed of academic brigade of both teachers and politicians got the education system so wrong especially bringing in comprehensive schools. 

 

Grammar schools were perfect for those pupils who flourished within an academic environment, my daughter was lucked to be one of the few children to benefit from a Grammar school education in the 90's and made a good career for her self

 

My wife went to a Technical High School, she got 9 0 levels in her first sitting, went on to collage and trained as a commercial artist, (then after our daughter was born again at collage trained as a dress designer/maker)

 

As you would guess I went to secondary school, was trained to use both my head and hands. As it was I went into sales but the grounding I had was put to good use in renovating 4 houses, plus the odd jobs at friends and families houses. Many of my school friends made successful careers using manual skills, several having their own companies, one ending up very wealthy employing quite a few trades people. 

 

Now every child is shoehorned into a one size fits all education, which is clearly failing many. Far too many were sold a dream of going to university as a route to riches, only to see carpenters and plumbers earning more and have no education debts

 

Academia has failed so many children by shoehorning them into clones of themselves rather than teaching them skills to allow them to flourish. Industry has been saying this for years  

[Jol Wilkinson]

Thanks for your comments.  I agree.  not too many dads out there that help in this way.  

But then, its not their fault always,  all too often they themselves do not have the skills to pass on

England, Australia and Imagine US  has its manufacturing in China

Its cheaper to buy a new thing than fix it

why have tools.

 

Still, the blood of Isambard lies dormant in so many of us, and when it awakens, its up to us old farts to leave behind the seeds to encourage.

 

So while this site exists, I feel I should share my apprenticeship.

 

Keep the flag flying

Kevin

 

Kevin,

 

I was agreeing with you until you mentioned that overrated Victorian "engineer" of French extraction. I prefer to think that the blood of Stephenson might run in our veins.

 

Jol

 

Jol

[Penlan]

I do not know about Australia but in the late 70's the the so called new breed of academic brigade of both teachers and politicians got the education system so wrong especially bringing in comprehensive schools. 

Comprehensives started a little earlier than the 70's.

I attended Kynaston School in St John's Wood when it opened in 1956.

Wikipedia mentions that >>>> Kynaston School was among the small number of early comprehensive schools in the UK, which combined a non-restrictive admissions policy with, in essence, three kinds of education in one—roughly matching that found in grammar, secondary modern and technical schools (Kynaston was equipped with extensive technical laboratories, in part financed by corporate donations).

I certainly recall the extensive metal and woodworking classrooms, in fact the metalwork area was my introduction to Austin 7's - there were 2 chassis and some engines we 'played' about with, and I have (since 1961) two early 1934 Austin 7's. 

Woodworking, I still have two stools I made there as well.  Fond memories of that school, I had to leave there unfortunately following some domestic re-shuffling.........

[PenrithBeacon]

Ruston

 

Got the impression these were on a limited run recently, as Dart Castings will I expect still be selling a limited range of wagons it might be worth asking the question "are there any left"

There were a few at Nottingham yesterday. I bought a MR 6 wheel brake on an impulse!

[hayfield]

In Hertfordshire I think comprehensive Schools started in the 70's,

 

There seemed to be an educated elite that for what ever reason wanted to trash everything that went before to create this new socialist/liberal ideal of everyone having the same education and opportunities. Which whilst admirable seemed to punish both the more academic and less academic pupils with a one size fits all approach. The trouble is that children vary as do their needs and learning abilities, in addition rather than trying to get all schools meeting the highest standards, they dragged the better schools downwards

 

We now have a system which has created an underclass within the education system, with the less academic in certain disadvantaged areas becoming disenfranchised with normal society

 

The so called secondary education system I was in actually benefited those of us who were less academic, we were streamed into 4 classes which meant that could work at the speed of the pupils in them, the brighter ones were not held up, those who needed more time to absorb things would have it. We also had far more practical lessons, both wood and metal working lessons for the first 2 years, dropping one after that. Plus technical drawing and art lessons, both teaching practical as well as mental skills.  End result many of us left schools with the embryos of the skills we now use either at work and or at home

 

Fast track to now, ask a youngster to knock a nail in the wall, or cut a piece of wood, all you get is a blank look. As for soldering two pieces of metal together, you would think I was splitting an atom. Thankfully You Tube is coming to the rescue, but I have still got to show my son in law the brick wall in his front garden, something I learnt before I left school by watching a builder

 

I was talking to a colleague at work, who rightly wondered why he spent 3 years doing a sports science degree. Has absolutely no relevance to his job now, the only thing it has done is give him a massive debt.

[bundeena2230]

Kevin,

 

I was agreeing with you until you mentioned that overrated Victorian "engineer" of French extraction. I prefer to think that the blood of Stephenson might run in our veins.

 

Jol

 

Jol

Jol, French, which one did I ?

[bundeena2230]

Re schools, up untill 4th form I was in Gt Yarmouth Styles School - then to Oz, and once in Sydney, the attitude of "with a length of fencing wire and some pliers, you can"   influenced me

and through electronics, I have been to Antarctica 3 times to fix all the machines on the base - and did 100%

as in - wheres the problem? let me at it....

 

so I dont do the best models,   but     I will take on anything.

 

AND 

 

I believe I would say

an hour teaching a young person what I know,   is worth a day in paradise....

 

Who would I be

If no one could be bothered to teach ME ????????

 

Isnt this what THIS whole web site is all about ??????

 

I get so much MAKING these models - WHY wouldnt I pass this on,   EVEN if my rivet count is wrong.....   BENT  ....  Didnt go right....

 

Its HAVE FUN   - if that dont happen   the kids wont do it

 

Lets make a good one - thats part 2

 

Wow - this is good,   Lets get serious   =   We have a new modeller....

 

SCORE

Edited March 21, 2018 by bundeena2230

[FPH 603]

Re schools, up untill 4th form I was in Gt Yarmouth Styles School - then to Oz, and once in Sydney, the attitude of "with a length of fencing wire and some pliers, you can"   influenced me

and through electronics, I have been to Antarctica 3 times to fix all the machines on the base - and did 100%

as in - wheres the problem? let me at it....

 

so I dont do the best models,   but     I will take on anything.

 

AND 

 

I believe I would say

an hour teaching a young person what I know,   is worth a day in paradise....

 

Who would I be

If no one could be bothered to teach ME ????????

 

Isnt this what THIS whole web site is all about ??????

 

I get so much MAKING these models - WHY wouldnt I pass this on,   EVEN if my rivet count is wrong.....   BENT  ....  Didnt go right....

 

Its HAVE FUN   - if that dont happen   the kids wont do it

 

Lets make a good one - thats part 2

 

Wow - this is good,   Lets get serious   =   We have a new modeller....

 

SCORE

That's the spirit!

[hayfield]

Re schools, up untill 4th form I was in Gt Yarmouth Styles School - then to Oz, and once in Sydney, the attitude of "with a length of fencing wire and some pliers, you can"   influenced me

and through electronics, I have been to Antarctica 3 times to fix all the machines on the base - and did 100%

as in - wheres the problem? let me at it....

 

so I dont do the best models,   but     I will take on anything.

 

AND 

 

I believe I would say

an hour teaching a young person what I know,   is worth a day in paradise....

 

Who would I be

If no one could be bothered to teach ME ????????

 

Isnt this what THIS whole web site is all about ??????

 

I get so much MAKING these models - WHY wouldnt I pass this on,   EVEN if my rivet count is wrong.....   BENT  ....  Didnt go right....

 

Its HAVE FUN   - if that dont happen   the kids wont do it

 

Lets make a good one - thats part 2

 

Wow - this is good,   Lets get serious   =   We have a new modeller....

 

SCORE

 

 

Don't forget there are plenty of us old ones who also want to learn new skills

 

[Jol Wilkinson]

Jol, French, which one did I ?

 

Kevin,

 

were you not referring to Brunel, when you spoke of Isambard, son of Marc?

 

Jol

[Jol Wilkinson]

Re schools, up untill 4th form I was in Gt Yarmouth Styles School - then to Oz, and once in Sydney, the attitude of "with a length of fencing wire and some pliers, you can"   influenced me

and through electronics, I have been to Antarctica 3 times to fix all the machines on the base - and did 100%

as in - wheres the problem? let me at it....

 

so I dont do the best models,   but     I will take on anything.

 

AND 

 

I believe I would say

an hour teaching a young person what I know,   is worth a day in paradise....

 

Who would I be

If no one could be bothered to teach ME ????????

 

Isnt this what THIS whole web site is all about ??????

 

I get so much MAKING these models - WHY wouldnt I pass this on,   EVEN if my rivet count is wrong.....   BENT  ....  Didnt go right....

 

Its HAVE FUN   - if that dont happen   the kids wont do it

 

Lets make a good one - thats part 2

 

Wow - this is good,   Lets get serious   =   We have a new modeller....

 

SCORE

 

Much as I would like  to agree totally, for many this web site is about getting others to do their modelling for them (wish lists), then bragging about what they will buy/spend (frothing) or complaining  the thing they so desperately need has been made badly, is inaccurate, is the wrong version, cost too much, etc.

 

​I applaud those who give up their time to share their knowledge with others and those that want to learn how to do things for themselves. I rather think that they are sadly becoming fewer. Where's the sense of achievement and satisfaction in  just relying on others to do things for you.

[Horsetan]

......for many this web site is about getting others to do their modelling for them (wish lists), then bragging about what they will buy/spend (frothing) or complaining  the thing they so desperately need has been made badly, is inaccurate, is the wrong version, cost too much, etc....

 

First world problems.

[hayfield]

Much as I would like  to agree totally, for many this web site is about getting others to do their modelling for them (wish lists), then bragging about what they will buy/spend (frothing) or complaining  the thing they so desperately need has been made badly, is inaccurate, is the wrong version, cost too much, etc.

 

​I applaud those who give up their time to share their knowledge with others and those that want to learn how to do things for themselves. I rather think that they are sadly becoming fewer. Where's the sense of achievement and satisfaction in  just relying on others to do things for you.

 

Your take on this site may be conditioned to the threads you read or my slightly differing view may be down to me being selective in the threads I read and partake in. There are many threads which I enjoy reading and following, some being quite detailed in their content, others more basic but equally enjoyable

 

There are many members, some of whom may not show their work both more than willing to share their knowledge and skills or give valuable advice. I do keep away from threads which major on RTR out of the box and are just talking shops.

 

This thread has got a bit lively at times, which can be good especially if it challenges you to do better, or defends the position when others may give a wrong impression. If a thread does move into these areas you dislike either try and bring it back on course or go to other more interesting threads, ow which there are plenty

[Pete242]

Going back quite a few posts regarding the fitting of a motor/gearbox to the Hughes railmotor.

 

I'm VERY slowly scratch building the loco/chassis and bought a Mashima flat can (10mm across the flats) and gearbox from High Level Kits. The gearbox is hung off the rear axle with the motor mounted vertically. I used the remains from a disintegrating original kit (wooden boilered!) to calculate the dimensions of the parts so it may not be absolutely correct dimensionally but the motor just squeezes between the backhead and the front of the side tanks. The motor shaft sticks out too far at the top so I need to cut the shaft back which will probably negate the use of a flywheel. To compensate for this and to improve running reliability I built the coach frame using copperclad as a base. This gives good rigidity and has also allowed me to pick up from all 4 coach bogie wheels and pass current to the loco via the copper. Just 2 fine linking wires needed.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Pete

Edited March 23, 2018 by Pete242