OO gauge GWR Mogul and Prairie

[Miss Prism]

59 minutes ago, john dew said:

Thanks you for the swift reply.  My apologies for the typo, I meant 7301.  I was guilty of thinking ahead   ....7305 ( or 7308) were Croess Newyd locos and my back up if 6308 did not pass muster.

 

I cant see any difference between the firebox of the Hattons photos of 6385 and 7301 but I am no expert. I get the sense I am venturing into a minefield here. The 6308 plates were ordered for 6385 I didnt do my due diligence about smoke pipes!. I guess rather than compound the error 7305 would be a safer bet?

 

Dapol's 7301 has a highline of washout plugs, 6385 has a lowline. Both have tall safety valve covers. I don't think I've seen a pic of 6380.

 

Some excellent pics of the final products at kernowmodelcentre. (Somewhat more up to date than Hattons pics and Dapol's pics.)
 

[gwrrob]

On 14/11/2020 at 11:19, 1466 said:

Yes the coal load is easily removed and the coal space looks good .

 

Indeed it does.

 

[The Johnster]

Kudos to Dapol for this, one can only hope that other producers will follow suit on tank locos. 

[martinT]

2 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

 

 Both have tall safety valve covers. I don't think I've seen a pic of 6380.

 

The RCTS photo collection has 2 views - but both late on. Try:

https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/search.htm?company=GWR&subtype=0&class=4300&location=&srch=6380&page=0

 

Martin

[Chuffer Davies]

Would I be correct in thinking that this topic has attracted a significant number of those modellers who follow things Great Western on RM Web?  

Over the last 3+ years I have been a regular reader and poster on but since most of my recent modelling is focused on the club's new LNER layout the main blog I have been following is Wright Writes.  This seems to be a focal point for both amateur and professional LNER modellers as evidenced by its 2000+ pages.

 

I may be mistaken but I have yet to find a similar focal point for Great Western modellers on RM Web.  Is there a candidate blog already in existence that I'm just not aware of, and if not would there be any interest in a new blog specifically for that purpose?

 

Here's a picture of Hungerford to wet your appetite:    

   

 

Regards,

 

Frank

[57xx]

48 minutes ago, Chuffer Davies said:

I may be mistaken but I have yet to find a similar focal point for Great Western modellers on RM Web.  Is there a candidate blog already in existence that I'm just not aware of, and if not would there be any interest in a new blog specifically for that purpose?

 

There are plenty of threads around for GWR modellers. Have a look in the Layouts section, some are mainly banter, others still have a lot of modelling going on, all are good. There also the specialist GWR Rolling Stock section. Many threads also in "Kitbuilding and Scratchbuilding"

 

edit: I'll try and edit this later with a list of ones I have bookmarked for you, there's too many to think of right now. Please do create one for Hungerford too!

Edited November 19, 2020 by 57xx

[john dew]

34 minutes ago, martinT said:

The RCTS photo collection has 2 views - but both late on. Try:

https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/search.htm?company=GWR&subtype=0&class=4300&location=&srch=6380&page=0

 

Martin

Hi Martin

 

Thank you so much for this......although it does look as though I am out of luck.........they look like low line washout plugs........combined with steam pipes.....not an ideal combination for the Dapol releases.

 

Looks like I should order plates for 7305......but only after a search 

 

Best wishes

....

 

 

[richbrummitt]

33 minutes ago, Chuffer Davies said:

Would I be correct in thinking that this topic has attracted a significant number of those modellers who follow things Great Western on RM Web?  

Over the last 3+ years I have been a regular reader and poster on but since most of my recent modelling is focused on the club's new LNER layout the main blog I have been following is Wright Writes.  This seems to be a focal point for both amateur and professional LNER modellers as evidenced by its 2000+ pages.

 

I may be mistaken but I have yet to find a similar focal point for Great Western modellers on RM Web.  Is there a candidate blog already in existence that I'm just not aware of, and if not would there be any interest in a new blog specifically for that purpose?

 

Here's a picture of Hungerford to wet your appetite:    

   

 

Regards,

 

Frank

There’s nothing like a Wright writes anywhere else on the forum that I’m aware of. 
 

I’d love to see some more of Hungerford (again) and quality GW layouts in general. Finding them takes time. There is a thread in the ‘pre-grouping modelling and prototype’ sub forum that is essentially a list of posts with links to people’s threads wherever they may be on the forum. Maybe something similar for the Western modeller is worthwhile?
 

This 

is my current favourite GWR layout on the forum. 

[NCB]

Just got mine out of the box, plonked on the 6' test track which is all I have in 4mm at the moment, and gave it a go. Here she is:

 

Tried first with just the loco, seemed to be a trifle hesitant first run down and back up the track, then seemed OK. Added the tender and she's fine. Very smooth and quiet, picks up speed steadily, does a realistic crawl with no problem. I bought a Bachmann Coal Tank a few months ago, and reckoned it's probably the smoothest locomotive I've come across; this is in the same league. Used a basic Gaugemaster Combi to test it.

 

Took a look at the centre tender wheel. Very free running so I don't expect any problems unless it moves clear of the track, which it won't.

 

Happy with looks, really captures the prototype. Green looks a tad dark as did the Hornby 61XX I bought recently but it may be the lighting in the room.

 

I like the wheels. The gunmetal rims seem a good midway point between shiny Hornby and black Bachmann. I take it the fall-plate is intended to not drop onto the tender. The wooden plank above the tender coal chute is nicely done. Can't really fault it; at any normal viewing distance the slide bars look fine to me.

 

Not really my scale (I'm mainly 3mm/ft) but I sometimes buy models which catch my attention. This is a good one. Sets the bar.

 

NIgel

[tomparryharry]

10 hours ago, MG 7305 said:

111 The Great Bear became 111 Viscount Churchill.  Viscount Portal was 7000.  You would be amazed at the ex Barry bits I saw in the late 70's sat in the dirt or on shelves with interesting numbers but with the relevant locomotive far away.  Did you know that Castles and Kings apparently have the same smokebox door?

 

Thank you, and you're quite right. I recall seeing a set of 'castle' motion on display at GWR 150, when we took TVR 28 to Tyseley. Closer inspection showed certain parts were off the 'Bear'. With pannier 9629, we were able to collect very nearly all of the locomotives original motion, from many diverse places. From those vendors, we thank each & every one. 

 

Cheers,

Ian.

[tomparryharry]

Hello Frank, There are a great many Western modellers on RM Web If you go over to GWR.org there is a depth of collected information, from excellent layouts, to  single articles.  Miss Prism of this parish ( I think ) looks after it. 

[Miss Prism]

17 minutes ago, tomparryharry said:

Miss Prism of this parish ( I think ) looks after it. 

 

Yes.

 

[MG 7305]

2 hours ago, john dew said:

Looks like I should order plates for 7305

 

I cannot say how much I approve:

 

[Miss Prism]

On the matter of insignia, Dapol has unfortunately copied the 7320 works grey portrait , where 'GREAT' and 'WESTERN' should have been spaced wider (as if a crest or coat of arms was present). The error was probably corrected when the tender got its service coat.

 

Dapol's 'G W R' looks a bit low. It should be on the vertical middle of the side panel.
 

[melmerby]

47 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

On the matter of insignia, Dapol has unfortunately copied the 7320 works grey portrait , where 'GREAT' and 'WESTERN' should have been spaced wider (as if a crest or coat of arms was present). The error was probably corrected when the tender got its service coat.

 

Wasn't the works grey portrait done with water based paint that could be washed off before the loco got a proper paint job?

I have noticed errors on works grey portraits of various locos (not just GWR!) e.g. the as mentioned lettering but also incorrect lining.

[Harlequin]

Hi @liathach: I suspect the "jumping problem" is local to you rather than a real problem with the Mogul. Remember you said:

On 18/11/2020 at 11:19, liathach said:

Just received 6336 this morning. 

 

Aesthetically, the loco looks excellent.

 

Control-wise,  I'm on DCC.  Zimo MX618n18 installed earlier.  I own many other steam engines and diesels the UK RTR manufacturers. 

 

I'm sorry to confirm that the starting from standing to step one is just not acceptable.  I have tried every conceivable alteration of motor-related CVs. At all values of CV9 below 101, the engine jumps seemingly instantaneously to a very, very fast step one.  If CV9 is set to a value above 100, you get annoying humming from the motor, although the transition from standing is improved.  I've tried changing max voltage, reducing CV58 throughout the range.  I've also tried alterations to CVs 57, 112, 23, 66, 95 and CVs145-150.  None of these have cured the instantaneous jump from standing.

 

Above step one, fine, but the starting performance is utterly unrealistic compared to everything else I have.

 

I'm toying with the idea of taking the loco apart to see if another motor would sit in easily in-case it's a poor motor.  If I was a better engineer in miniature, I would want to strip the thing down and change the gearing to improved slow-speed running.

 

I

 

 

 

But in May you said this about a Hornby Drummond 700:

 

And in April you said this about Bachmann Halls:

 

The jump to speed step 1 seems to be a common problem for you. I wonder if you are accidentally setting your decoders to 14 speed steps when changing CV29?

 

[BMS]

I've had the lights and loco motor control problems with 3 different locos/dmu using non Dapol deoders.

I found that fitting Imperium (?) decoders (Dapol) cleared the problem completely - lights and control including stops then better than ok. Odd the mags don't seem to have noticed..,,,

I guess that appropriate CVs in other decoders would work but haven't got the time to  find out what. Absolute minimum is no of pins ( of course) and 6 function to stand any chance.

[melmerby]

19 minutes ago, BMS said:

I've had the lights and loco motor control problems with 3 different locos/dmu using non Dapol deoders.

I found that fitting Imperium (?) decoders (Dapol) cleared the problem completely - lights and control including stops then better than ok. Odd the mags don't seem to have noticed..,,,

I guess that appropriate CVs in other decoders would work but haven't got the time to  find out what. Absolute minimum is no of pins ( of course) and 6 function to stand any chance.

Oh Dear.

Bit like saying I drive a car but can't be bothered to find out how to use the gearbox.

[checkrail]

Absolutely delighted with mine which arrived late yesterday.  Not really had time to examine it in detail - just unwrapped it and bunged it on the track.  Performance is absolutely superb. (Mine's the DCC-fitted version, with Zimo decoder.)  Starts at a slow crawl on speed step 1 (of 128) which it will maintain at that speed step, light engine or loaded.  Runs through all complex pointwork with nary a click or clatter in either direction.  Best performance of any loco I've had so far.

 

Soon, if I can drag myself away from the two Slater's toplights currently on the workbench, it'll be receiving new number, lamps, crew, real coal and weathering.  I might well re-do the 'Great Western' lettering as well to increase the spacing (though photographic evidence does suggest that this could vary).

 

One very satisfied customer here.  Worth the wait.

 

John C.

[The Stationmaster]

12 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

 

Thank you, and you're quite right. I recall seeing a set of 'castle' motion on display at GWR 150, when we took TVR 28 to Tyseley. Closer inspection showed certain parts were off the 'Bear'. With pannier 9629, we were able to collect very nearly all of the locomotives original motion, from many diverse places. From those vendors, we thank each & every one. 

 

Cheers,

Ian.

111's wheels went round quite a number of 'Castles' over the years.  I found them in A Shop on a Sunday visit in the very early 1960s and they had been under at least three 'Castles' by then judging by the various number on them which had been struck out.  But lest we forget 111 was a 'Castle' from 1924 to 1953 so how many components and which ones had really been part of the pacific is always going to remain open to question unless either records or some sort of metallurgical investigation can accurately f date when particular items had been made. 

[Ian Hargrave]

5 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

111's wheels went round quite a number of 'Castles' over the years.  I found them in A Shop on a Sunday visit in the very early 1960s and they had been under at least three 'Castles' by then judging by the various number on them which had been struck out.  But lest we forget 111 was a 'Castle' from 1924 to 1953 so how many components and which ones had really been part of the pacific is always going to remain open to question unless either records or some sort of metallurgical investigation can accurately f date when particular items had been made. 

  
111 “Viscount Churchill “ ? A Swansea High Street sighting so very many years ago.

[Coppercap]

5 hours ago, checkrail said:

 

 I might well re-do the 'Great Western' lettering as well to increase the spacing (though photographic evidence does suggest that this could vary).

John C.

 

Straighten the reversing rod at the same time, won't you?

I expect mine will be like that too, when I get it.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Coppercap

[BMS]

Comment to Checkrails; are you able to tell us what the Zimo type and what the basic CV values s are, excluding the sound ones, please?

 

Comment to Melmerbry I spend my time and money doing what I want or need to. I don't now drive. Why does that bother you?

[melmerby]

2 minutes ago, BMS said:

 

 

Comment to Melmerbry I spend my time and money doing what I want or need to. I don't now drive. Why does that bother you?

Little touchy aren't we? I couldn't care less whether you drive or not.

 

If you can't be bothered to set up decoders correctly why complain about them not working?

 

[Miss Prism]

18 hours ago, melmerby said:

Wasn't the works grey portrait done with water based paint that could be washed off before the loco got a proper paint job?

 

That sounds sensible.

 

Works grey portraits ceased after 1929, I think.