RMweb Gold Kaput Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Jenny Emily said: Given the litigation in the US with TCS and the fact that DCC concepts openly state that LAIS stole the IP of the design of their earlier version Zen decoders, I suspect that Dapol’s decoders are more likely to be made by somebody else with LAIS versions being grey clones. Maybe so but the fact stands that a Dapol Imperium (at least the 1 and 2's) are physically identical to the LaisDCC versions if you remove the wrapper from the Lais ones. Don't think the average buyer would really care who copied who (and until there is an actual legal settlement made public we don't really have the full story) Ultimately my point is valid - the DCC fitted versions come with a decoder you can buy for £10ish + p+p and the entire model is designed for easy DCC fitting so the extra cost seems a bit pointless in my opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 I see the first 43xx releases include 6385, which was one working regularly on the Reading-Redhill route, that I saw. Tempting - if they prove to be operationally sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Kaput said: Maybe so but the fact stands that a Dapol Imperium (at least the 1 and 2's) are physically identical to the LaisDCC versions if you remove the wrapper from the Lais ones. Don't think the average buyer would really care who copied who (and until there is an actual legal settlement made public we don't really have the full story) Ultimately my point is valid - the DCC fitted versions come with a decoder you can buy for £10ish + p+p and the entire model is designed for easy DCC fitting so the extra cost seems a bit pointless in my opinion. I would suggest that Dapol are probably not in the position of designing their own decoders and have to buy in. Lais now appear to be legit, although I would guess that they have relied on what they copied from TCS to establish their range. Lais probably got caught out because they copied the TCS design so slavishly they even included the TCS manufacturers code (153). IIRC Two UK sellers who used badged pirate Lais decoders were legally forced to stop by TCS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 hours ago, boxbrownie said: I’d check the speaker installation if I were you, this is the Dapol “factory fitted” sound version of the streamlined Railcar...... Now my last batch of 6-pin Dapol decoders are identical physically to a couple of Gaugemaster decoders I bought a couple of months earlier. So are Gaugemaster's decoders Lais also? Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Les1952 said: Now my last batch of 6-pin Dapol decoders are identical physically to a couple of Gaugemaster decoders I bought a couple of months earlier. So are Gaugemaster's decoders Lais also? Les Gaugemaster’s decoders are made for them by DCC Concepts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jenny Emily said: Gaugemaster’s decoders are made for them by DCC Concepts. They have a facility to make their own decoders? I assumed they were made for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2020 11 hours ago, melmerby said: They have a facility to make their own decoders? I assumed they were made for them. I would think they are indeed outsourcing the manufacture of the decoders, but to their own spec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Gaugemaster decoders are made for them by DCC concepts. I was told this by DCC concepts. DCC concepts are aware that Lais stole the design of the V3 version of their Zen decoders, therefore what you are buying cheap is a pirate version of an old decoder with all the quirks and flaws that were fixed and improved over the next 9 versions. I have spoken with Dapol, and the Imperium decoders are NOT made by Lais, but by an approved supplier using original (and copyright) designs. Lais has not licensed these designs from either Dapol or Gaugemaster (DCC concepts) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 hours ago, melmerby said: They have a facility to make their own decoders? I assumed they were made for them. DCC Concepts? I think, whoever makes them, they are very much to their own design. ISTR Richard Johnson being very visible on DCC-forums more than a decade ago, discussing decoder development, when he was still Oz-based. Setting up a UK office is quite a commitment. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Hi, will the model of 7310 fit in with a late 50’s/early 60’s layout or is there anything on it that would be historically incorrect. Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Fredo said: Hi, will the model of 7310 fit in with a late 50’s/early 60’s layout or is there anything on it that would be historically incorrect. Thanks Fred 7310 wasn't scrapped until 1964 and spent most of it's BR life at Croes Newydd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) In this (undated) pic, with this boiler, 7310 had a firebox with a high washout plug line and a BR(W) rectangular style of superheater lubrication cover. It went to the scrapyard in this condition. Edited May 11, 2022 by Miss Prism reinstated image 4 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2020 If they arrive next week, it will be just in time for something to play with in Lockdown 2™. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, 57xx said: If they arrive next week, it will be just in time for something to play with in Lockdown 2™. Already in lockdown here in France - I will be spending most of it in my railway room! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2020 23 hours ago, Oldddudders said: I see the first 43xx releases include 6385, which was one working regularly on the Reading-Redhill route, that I saw. Tempting - if they prove to be operationally sound. I will be keeping an eye on how they perform and what issues they might or might not have, as this is the same mech as will be used for the large prairie. I am holding off buying the Hornby large prairie until I can compare it with Dapol's. This may result in my missing out on the current Raisl offer of Hornby large prairie in the livery I want for under £100, but I can't manage that this month anyway. I doubt they'll ever be as cheap anywhere again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 hours ago, The Johnster said: I will be keeping an eye on how they perform and what issues they might or might not have, as this is the same mech as will be used for the large prairie. Same here but rather because the performance of the Dapol/Rails Terriers has caused me to pause. I’ll want to see that the Mogul performs more like a B4 than a Terrier and has a finish more like a Bachmann than a Hornby. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Dapol do seem to specialise in making a good performing loco then a dud; on the basis of issues people have had with the Terriers this should be a good'un but will they be marred by their finish including wheel colour? Curious to see how the pony truck is arranged and what is actually looks like in motion around the curves given their objective of keeping full size cylinders even on a loco designed to go round 438mm radius curves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted November 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Butler Henderson said: Dapol do seem to specialise in making a good performing loco then a dud; on the basis of issues people have had with the Terriers this should be a good'un but will they be marred by their finish including wheel colour? Curious to see how the pony truck is arranged and what is actually looks like in motion around the curves given their objective of keeping full size cylinders even on a loco designed to go round 438mm radius curves. Yes has it been established if the wheel colour of these 43xx? Hoping it is a trick of the light rather than Dapol reverting to the grey wheels that originally appeared on their N gauge Hall class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2020 7 hours ago, rprodgers said: Yes has it been established if the wheel colour of these 43xx? Hoping it is a trick of the light rather than Dapol reverting to the grey wheels that originally appeared on their N gauge Hall class. Why do you think they would be grey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 hours ago, 57xx said: Why do you think they would be grey? Oh I don’t know. Something to do with the samples shown on Hattons recent video maybe? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Oh I don’t know. Something to do with the samples shown on Hattons recent video maybe? Um.. and two different GW greens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Um.. and two different GW greens Yeah I wouldn’t put much stock in that. The blacks look different too so could just be an exposure or lighting difference between the 2 locos photos 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Um.. and two different GW greens I wouldn't worry about that. contemporary colour photos seem to show that anything without a name ran in a livery of unmitigated muck, and some of the named locos weren't much better. There are some nice pics of Halls that hadn't seen a cleaning rag for months. The other three of the big four weren't that much better, if at all. Les 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Um.. and two different GW greens But at least the greys match - you can't have everything 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Oh I don’t know. Something to do with the samples shown on Hattons recent video maybe? You mean the locos that Dapol clearly states they are uncorrected decoration samples maybe? Hattons also clearly state: Edited November 2, 2020 by 57xx 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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